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Assuming this is true, the blame falls squarely on those pushing CRT in the schools. They've poisoned the well and created a climate of suspicion and resentment. It isn't surprising if parents don't trust teachers to cover this topic in an unbiased manner.
Nobody is pushing CRT in schools. The only ones talking about it are the right wing media and those who follow it.
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I somewhat agree with this. We should be teaching children about class war, not just race war. Certainly there have been plentiful cases of white workers mistreating minorities, but ultimately they're not the ones making real decisions about society. There's a certain amount of blame-shifting happening on behalf of Capital.
How do you propose teaching about class war? I would like to see your lesson plans.
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Imagine if the per student public school cost could be transferred to the private school of your choice.
Stunning how easily affordable private school would be.
Do you understand the difference between fixed and variable costs? It can't work the way you suggest.
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Why would I care what a parent does with their child's education, when the job market and basic survival will determine who is prepared and who is not, same as it does now in a world where the average high school senior does 4th grade math and 7th grade reading? The whole country switched to age based advancement instead of subject matter mastery a long time ago. You can be a total moron who only knows half the alphabet, but if you are 18, you get a high school diploma. That is the status quo you are defending.
If you take the standard US school year of 180 days, and you average 15 minutes of useful instruction for a student per class, 6 classes per day, over a 12 year period, that amounts to 2,880 hours. At 20 hours of individual instruction per week (part time), which can be done easily by any parent, the entire K-12 curriculum can be accomplished in under 3 years. Double it for slower learners and/or lazier parents. Still under 6 years total. Basically, with even lazy effort, you could homeschool someone to pass the GED by the time they are 9-10 years old.
But we keep kids trapped in these indoctrination prisons for 13 years total, teach them not much past middle school equivalent, and throw a cap and gown on them and call them grads under the current expensive, compulsory, government run system.
And you're trying to clown me for my ideas? Really?
I agree with much of you assessment of much of our current public school system. Your example in the second paragraph makes no sense however. Much of the problems in our schools can be fixed. It goes back to teaching students to read and holding them accountable. Public schools today are mostly concerned about keeping parents happy and keeping their graduation rate high.
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Exactly and if home schooling continues to grow, then public education is going to have to 'compete' for enrollments. Imagine that ...
Will never happen!
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As of now, there is not a huge amount of homeschooler who have become corporate leaders, invented products or tools that have changed the way we live, leaders in politics, leaders in science, leaders in medicine, award winning writers or playwrights or composers.
There are some who have become religious or spiritual leaders or sports phenoms who did not concentrate on academics in their formative years. There have also been some actors who were home schooled.
This may change over time and I am sure you can find a few but there is absolutely no evidence that humans excel in the standard ways through homeschooling.
Again, this may change over time, but not today.
The greatest and most influential minds have benefited from education from the elitist universities.
How do you propose teaching about class war? I would like to see your lesson plans.
Just teach every lesson with the understanding that history is the history of class struggle. In current American history classes the history of class struggle is basically 1) nothing happened 2) some workers went on strike in the late 1800s because CEOs in those days were really bad 3) the workers won and now America is a worker's paradise no further questions.
Just teach every lesson with the understanding that history is the history of class struggle. In current American history classes the history of class struggle is basically 1) nothing happened 2) some workers went on strike in the late 1800s because CEOs in those days were really bad 3) the workers won and now America is a worker's paradise no further questions.
You would lose the average high school student with the phrase "class struggle."
The left likes to throw cold water on any education outside their system of indoctrination with canards like “little billy wont develop social skills if home schooled”, when in fact the opposite has proven true
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As of now, there is not a huge amount of homeschooler who have become corporate leaders, invented products or tools that have changed the way we live, leaders in politics, leaders in science, leaders in medicine, award winning writers or playwrights or composers.
There are some who have become religious or spiritual leaders or sports phenoms who did not concentrate on academics in their formative years. There have also been some actors who were home schooled.
This may change over time and I am sure you can find a few but there is absolutely no evidence that humans excel in the standard ways through homeschooling.
Again, this may change over time, but not today.
The greatest and most influential minds have benefited from education from the elitist universities.
In 2003, the Home School Legal Defense Association commissioned the largest research survey to date of adults who were home educated. Conducted by Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute, the study surveyed over 7,300 adults who were homeschooled. Over 5,000 of these had been home educated at least seven years, and the statistics in this synopsis are based on their responses.
Over 74% of home-educated adults ages 18–24 have taken college-level courses, compared to 46% of the general United States population.
Only 4.2% of the homeschool graduates surveyed consider politics and government too complicated to understand, compared to 35% of U.S. adults.
76% of homeschool graduates surveyed between the ages of 18–24 voted within the last five years, compared to only 29% of the relevant U.S. population.
You may be right about the greatest minds coming from the elitist universities, but look where they get their great minds from as of 2003 when this blogger is using the data of the time period, writes:
"The ACT college admission exam scores show homeschoolers consistently performing above the national level. In both 2002 and 2003, the national homeschool average was 22.5, while the national average was 20.8.
The College Board, which administers the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) also notes the above-average performance of homeschoolers. In 2002, homeschoolers averaged 1092, 72 points higher than the national average of 1020. In 2001, homeschoolers scored 1100 on the SAT, compared to the national average of 1019. (2003 homeschool statistics are not yet available.)"
So if I really dig into this to find the latest surveys and test scores, imo those stats will even be more impressive. What do you think, when in 2004 the blogger writes ...
"This evidence of the academic excellence of homeschoolers is nothing new, but only reinforces the trend that homeschoolers, on average, score higher than their public school counterparts. As parents continue to make the necessary sacrifices to educate their children at home, this trend will never become just a passing fad. "
Children deserve better in their education than becoming the latest greatest political football.
Exactly and if home schooling continues to grow, then public education is going to have to 'compete' for enrollments. Imagine that ...
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Will never happen!
Never say never:
"Taxpayers spend an average of $15,240 per pupil annually in public schools, plus capital expenditures (National Education Association, 2021). Today’s roughly 4.5 million homeschool students represent a savings of over $68 billion for taxpayers. This is $68 billion that American taxpayers do not have to spend." Homeschooling: The Research
Never say never:
"Taxpayers spend an average of $15,240 per pupil annually in public schools, plus capital expenditures (National Education Association, 2021). Today’s roughly 4.5 million homeschool students represent a savings of over $68 billion for taxpayers. This is $68 billion that American taxpayers do not have to spend." Homeschooling: The Research
Do you really think that because the average cost is !5,240/student, and there are 4.5M homeschooled students, that homeschooling is saving $68B? You might be able to come up with some very minimal cost savings but nothing comes to mind. Maybe less toilet paper used in each school might be an area of savings.
Never say never:
"Taxpayers spend an average of $15,240 per pupil annually in public schools, plus capital expenditures (National Education Association, 2021). Today’s roughly 4.5 million homeschool students represent a savings of over $68 billion for taxpayers. This is $68 billion that American taxpayers do not have to spend." Homeschooling: The Research
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Originally Posted by villageidiot1
Do you really think that because the average cost is !5,240/student, and there are 4.5M homeschooled students, that homeschooling is saving $68B? You might be able to come up with some very minimal cost savings but nothing comes to mind. Maybe less toilet paper used in each school might be an area of savings.
"With roughly 4.5 million homeschool students, taxpayers save more than $65 billion annually. Additionally, 5.8 million students attend private school, saving taxpayers more than $87 billion annually."
Maybe private schools don't have tp in their bathrooms.
btw: the data is coming from the National Education Association, 2021.
Also Investopedia The Cost of Homeschooling, offers more information on personal savings for investing in homeschool education.
But one thing is for certain, the more children not in public education, the less teachers will be needed to fill that role ... so in terms of tax paying salaries, there's that tidbit.
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