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The US Constitution does not delegate such a power to the Fed Gov. Period.
I agree with you completely. Is it not a fact the States, when framing and ratifying the Constitution, intentionally delegated defined and limited powers to the federal government they were creating, and, the separation of such powers were succinctly summarized, e.g., by Madison in Federlist No. 45 as follows?
” The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.
The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”
Is it not also an irrefutable fact that our founders, to prevent misconstruction or abuse of our federal government’s powers, that they added a number of declaratory and restrictive clauses [our Constitution’s first ten amendments], one of which reads as follows?
”The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.”
The sad truth is, we have been amply warned that:
"When a free people submit to oppressive acts, passed in violation of their constitution, for a single day, they have thrown down the palladium of their liberty. Submit to despotism for an hour and you concede the principle. John Adams said, in 1775, Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud. It is the only thing a people determined to be free can do. Republics have often failed, and have been succeeded by the most revolting despotisms; and always it was the voice of timidity, cowardice, or false leaders counseling submission, that led to the final downfall of freedom. It was the cowardice and treachery of the Senate of Rome that allowed the usurper to gain power, inch by inch, to overthrow the Republic. The history of the downfall of Republics is the same in all ages. The first inch that is yielded to despotism __ the first blow, dealt at the Constitution, that is not resisted is the beginning of the end of the nations ruin." ___ The Old Guard, a monthly journal devoted to the principles of 1776 and 1787.
Getting back to the subject of the thread, the fundamental question is, where in the Constitution has such an invasive power ___ forcing the people to be injected with medicine, one which intrudes upon the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State ___ been delegated to our federal government?
OSHA is taking the unprecedented step to force federal regulations into the workplace, to push a national policy of the president's, because Congress refuses to pass a law to force this policy on the nation.
COVID exists all over, no matter if you are at your workplace or not. OSHA is pretending COVID is a workplace hazard, which is like pretending wind blown dust from Oklahoma, or soot from California wild fires to the eastern US, is a workplace hazard, which only OSHA can address with broad and far reaching draconian federal workplace regulations.
The state governments are totally capable in addressing disease outbreaks, and have always done so in the past. But Biden wants his policies forced on the nation, and he's using OSHA to do it.
Keep in mind, the vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission, and have a short period of protection, and this virus is endemic, and will NEVER go away. Which means if you do not want to present your vaccination paperwork to an employer, you will not be able to get a job. Because once Biden gets the SCOTUS to allow this mandate, he will force it upon all businesses, even ones if the only employees are just you and your pet cat. Oh, and COVID can reside in your cat too.
What about education workers? A teacher or other education worker is in an enclosed room, usually not socially distanced with as many as 30-35 students. Many of these kids are being raised by grandparents. If people had common sense, mandates would not be needed.
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Originally Posted by swilliamsny
35 kids in a room that are being raised by grandparents?! Step away from the drugs, son.
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Yes, over half of my students are being raised by grandparents or by a single parent. One girl is being raised by her grandparents because her father shot and killed her mother, and is now in prison. Any other questions?
So now you've switched it to "grandparents or a single parent". At least that's believable. My kids were part of the NYC public schools, so I'm familiar with what a very urban classroom can look like. There's no need to use the kind of hyperbole you first did, though.
And as for the "common sense" part, are we really still trying to say only the unvaccinated spread Covid? Plus, these single parents and grandparents can make the choice to be vaccinated, or not. They also have the choice to have their kids vaccinated, or not. Every single person in the classroom and all of their relatives can be vaccinated, and grandma can still come down with Covid.
Under the Constitution, mandates should be up to individual states.
10th amendment
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
It's kind of funny/ironic that Justices Breyer, Kagan and Sotomayor are wanting to go along with Biden's mandate (it seems), but at the same time, the administration is definitely backing off the Covid wagon now. It seems they've realized how upset and angry people are, and now see that their best hope for anything other than total annihilation in November is to start downplaying Covid and letting us get back to normal.
I'm hopeful that someone is clandestinely meeting with SCOTUS and telling them they need to find against the mandate. Not sure how much the three fearful stooges are willing to let go, though.
And does it seem to anyone else who listened that ACB was maybe favoring the government here?
Getting back to the subject of the thread, the fundamental question is, where in the Constitution has such an invasive power ___ forcing the people to be injected with medicine, one which intrudes upon the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State ___ been delegated to our federal government?
It's kind of funny/ironic that Justices Breyer, Kagan and Sotomayor are wanting to go along with Biden's mandate (it seems), but at the same time, the administration is definitely backing off the Covid wagon now. It seems they've realized how upset and angry people are, and now see that their best hope for anything other than total annihilation in November is to start downplaying Covid and letting us get back to normal.
I'm hopeful that someone is clandestinely meeting with SCOTUS and telling them they need to find against the mandate. Not sure how much the three fearful stooges are willing to let go, though.
And does it seem to anyone else who listened that ACB was maybe favoring the government here?
It is no surprise, whatsoever, that Breyer, Kagan and Sotomayor are wanting the mandates.
I would be extremely disappointed if ACB sides with the government on this. I really, truly hope that is not the case.
roberts probably will though That sub-human waste of oxygen has turned out as nothing more than a statist liberal shill.
I thought so also due to him preciously writing Law from the Bench but according to some of his questioning points at last weeks presentation I'm now not do sure he will go in favor of the illegal mandate.
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That sub-human waste of oxygen has turned out as nothing more than a statist liberal shill.
