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Old 02-12-2022, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Do you think there's anything inherently wrong with male/female only clubs and the like?
That depends on whether you have to prove it at the door.

 
Old 02-12-2022, 10:32 AM
 
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Not unless there's an economic advantage to joining.
I have no problem with a group of highly educated, professional women forming an exclusive women's only club that caters to their professional interests and goals.

Why would you?

There are no shortage of the aforementioned powerful women in the West.

It's not the 50s anymore.
 
Old 02-12-2022, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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Not at all.

In fact, I'm of the viewpoint that, unless they're either married or related, males and females should not be intermingling with each other in large capacity.

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Old 02-12-2022, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Do you think there's anything inherently wrong with male/female only clubs and the like?
No

NGA (no girls allowed) was a common practice when I was 8. I built the fort, so I make the rules.

Forward 60 years

NLA (no ladies allowed) is STILL a practice, although much less common. I belong to multiple men's groups. At our ages the men and women are happy to have their own time apart from each other.
 
Old 02-12-2022, 11:52 AM
 
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Do you think there's anything wrong with male/female only clubs?

I think there have always been those ... and I have never had a problem with it.
 
Old 02-12-2022, 11:59 AM
 
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If it isn't too large, I would argue that the freedom of association is more important than the freedom from discrimination, but if the group got too big and too important, then it might become objectionable. For example, imagine if AAA was for men only.

If you think that is acceptable, what about an even more extreme case - suppose that Google decided to be membership-only and require you to be male on your birth certificate to use it. Surely we could all agree that would be unacceptable?

Admittedly, like on many social issues, there will inevitably be gray areas where reasonable, intelligent, and ethical people can disagree.
 
Old 02-12-2022, 12:20 PM
 
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And yet, male-only country clubs and gyms have been sued to force them to open their doors to women. Now, we don't have any female-only gyms do we?
They were sued because they wanted to get the benefit of being considered a public accommodation. In other words, they could have continued their discriminatory ways but they didn't want to be called on it or be unable to get tax advantages. This is what happened with the Bohemian Club in California and Augusta National in Georgia.

What has been legally upheld is female-only boarding houses. I think you mistake the law as to discrimination based on sex.
 
Old 02-12-2022, 12:23 PM
 
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Nope. People should be able to freely associate with others as they see fit.
Ah, but a public accommodation has public responsibilities.

You ever been far away from home looking for a place to eat and been turned away from a public restaurant due to being the wrong category? I have.
 
Old 02-12-2022, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I see no problem with them [other than membership rolls are shrinking].

I have been a Freemason for 30 years.



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... Some women try to get into gentleman’s clubs overseas (which are usually brothels), and are quickly denied access.
Is that so? I have attended masonic lodges in Europe, none of them were brothels.
 
Old 02-14-2022, 08:41 AM
 
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Ah, but a public accommodation has public responsibilities.

You ever been far away from home looking for a place to eat and been turned away from a public restaurant due to being the wrong category? I have.
I believe this premise of this thread is about people forming a private association based upon their shared interests or characteristics.
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