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Old 04-19-2022, 07:26 AM
 
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It's not rap music per se but it is a culture that rap music is often associated with and often tries to glorify.
Yes, I get that....but the politicians are blaming rap music...not the culture.

Give people easy palatable targets to blame like rap or guns...not the root causes.

The suburbs are awash in rap music, drugs and certainly access to guns as well. You get the occasional "big story shooting" but for the most part when talking sheer volume of gun violence it's a little sliver.
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Old 04-19-2022, 07:29 AM
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Location: South of Heaven
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So, are you saying it's people living in close proximity to each other that drives one to kill ?

Remember these are the same people who want to force everyone to live in urban environments and take public transportation.
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Old 04-19-2022, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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This is a very sad reality, and a lot of it also has to do with the politicians who preside over these areas. They foster a cradle to grave victim mentality. Large urban democrat ran areas with heavy black populations are warzones. There is no denying that. It's a safe bet that about 95% of the homicides in cities like Philly, Baltimore, Detroit, and Chicago are blacks killing blacks. They can continue to blame everything under the sun for their woes, but if they want to see things get better, it starts with them making good life decisions. A father figure in the lives of their children would help immensely as well.
It is very tragic. The black children in poor neighborhoods deserve better, with a path to happiness and prosperity through education and hard work. America deserves better. Just imagine the increase in productivity if most of the criminals in poor black neighborhoods were engaged in honest hard work, instead of crime. Imagine the innovations some of these minds could be developing if they were freed from the trap of drugs, gangs, and Democrat victimization brainwashing.

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Old 04-19-2022, 07:39 AM
 
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I’m sure your data is correct. I would suggest that the cultural, demographic, and socioeconomic issues that the residents in Wyoming face are vastly different than those faced by the residents of Philadelphia, and those factors are more relevant in impacting homicide rates. Do you have any data on urban areas that are of similar size where one city leans red and one leans blue on their homicide rates? Would be interesting to see more of an apples to apples comparison.
Wyoming is not Philadelphia. I don't consider it practical to compare a large, yet thinly populated state (which has about 576,000 people) to one of the most densely populated large cities in America.

Wyoming has wide open spaces and a rugged terrain. It has a rough climate that isn't very inviting to large human settlement. Philadelphia has been one of America's biggest port cities for over a century. Wyoming's economy is based on cattle ranching and mining. Philadelphia is historically a major industrial center.

Mining and ranching haven't attribute the same amount of people to Wyoming as shipbuilding, steel mills, and automobile manufacturing.

The shifts, automation and other changes in industry have meant more can be produced with fewer people. And then factories shutting down and going overseas. Many people left unemployed. And them drugs surged in the ghettos. All this in a crowded environment, where there are more opportunities for drug dealing and violence. This is Philadelphia to an extent.

Wyoming, on the other hand, far different place. Mining, ranching, military. Mining oil, gas, and coal doesn't require as many people. And those jobs are harder to ship out. You can't ship mining jobs overseas. They're tied to the land. Same with cattle ranching. You need to be IN Wyoming to do those jobs. They are dependent on resources being there until resources have been exhausted.

This has shaped the socioeconomic factors for both places. Wyoming and Philadelphia have nothing in common with each other.
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Old 04-19-2022, 07:40 AM
 
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Remember these are the same people who want to force everyone to live in urban environments and take public transportation.
These environments fester tribalism where one will feel the need to mark territory, enforce their boundaries/rules and create year round power struggles. What's going in big cities seems to parallel what goes on in some prisons where gang law and traditions rule.
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Old 04-19-2022, 07:40 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Obama told us the safest places have the strictest gun laws!!!!!!

Was obama lying?????

Any real journalists up to challenging Obama's statement????? Apparently not.

Lies about gun ownership and safety by the left wing zealots stalls any real discussion of violence and their willingness to sacrifice innocent lives while trying to achieve the theoretical goal of, no guns, no gun violence.

Obama's lies have caused the death of thousands.

Toss in Biden who told us to go buy a shotgun fire it in the air to scare away perps and of course the enlightened diane degette, infamous CO legislator who had no idea what an ammo mag was and how it work as she headed a committe and gun control.

Ask why the democrats are so willing to sacrifice innocent lies with nonsensical gun restriction proposals
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Old 04-19-2022, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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It certainly seems that way...

(although I'm kinda shocked Greenland has a high homicide rate, wonder why?)


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The Democrats say only gun murders are bad, so those nations with much high murder rates performed with knives, machetes, bats, and sticks don't really count. Gun murders bad, machete murders OK. Get it?
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Old 04-19-2022, 08:03 AM
 
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These environments fester tribalism where one will feel the need to mark territory, enforce their boundaries/rules and create year round power struggles. What's going in big cities seems to parallel what goes on in some prisons where gang law and traditions rule.
Why do so many people live in the cities in the first place. If we answer that, this could explain other things.
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Old 04-19-2022, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Interesting how conservative small town/rural communities rarely have problems with gun involved violence yet are full of citizens who own guns and believe in gun rights. On the other hand, these liberal urban centers have stricter gun laws and want more gun control, yet they are the ones who have all the problems with gun violence. All one has to do is look outside of these liberal urban centers to see that guns aren't the problem. Rural/small town conservatives with guns seem to just be morse sensible and personally responsible than these urban democrats.
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Old 04-19-2022, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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It works the same way with murder. Any kind of weapon can be used. Look at the terrorist from the Waukesha massacre. He took a page from the Marseille terrorist and used his own car to kill people.

It is easy for some people to include suicide with gun statistics. Never mind that people can hang themselves, slit their veins, poison themselves, etc.

It's easier to blame guns than the actual root problems.

A classmate of mine tried to kill himself. He inhaled carbon monoxide from his car. His suicide attempted failed thankfully.
That's for sure!

A classmate of ours unfortunately did succeed in killing herself. She was only 16 years old. She died of carbon monoxide poisoning from her mother's car in their closed garage. What was really puzzling is that she was a popular very pretty girl. She was nice, friendly to everyone and fun to be around. It shook up our whole town. She was the last person that anyone thought would do such a thing? God only knows what inner demons she was battling? Yet no one blamed the car?

During the Happyland Fire in 1990, 87 people were killed with what was a dollar's worth of gasoline at the time a container and a match. That's 28 more than what Paddock killed using a bunch of AR 15's equipped with bump stocks, thousands of rounds of ammo, firing from a hotel window into a crowd of 22,000. Yet no one called that gasoline violence?

I left out 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombing as they were more sophisticated operations but carried out with commonly available items that did not include firearms.
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