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Old 03-03-2022, 03:15 AM
 
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Trump could have done nothing to change what's going on. Most of the world have put sanctions on Russia with this invasion. We have destroyed their economy. Putin just doesn't care.

Except sanctions on their oil. Funny huh?
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Old 03-03-2022, 03:19 AM
 
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Nah. Trump may have threatened sanctions, though I doubt he would, but he would have never actually done it.

Don't you remember the time he leaned over and told Putin to ignore his tough talk that was going to come?
Trump wants to appear tough, but he isn't. He's just a wannabe who adores the real article.

Wishful thinking........you mean Obama was caught on video telling Russia that he will be more open to them after re-election. Obama and Biden pushed for the Russian pipeline deal and did NOTHING when Putin expanded in 2014. Crickets from democrats.


Biden refuses today to put sanctions on Russian oil. Funny huh?
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Old 03-03-2022, 03:20 AM
 
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Nah. Trump may have threatened sanctions, though I doubt he would, but he would have never actually done it.

Don't you remember the time he leaned over and told Putin to ignore his tough talk that was going to come?
Trump wants to appear tough, but he isn't. He's just a wannabe who adores the real article.
^^^You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to banjomike

People rooted in reality remember. Patriotic Americans remember. Russians remember & Putin remembers. Then there are The Others. Those who have been successfully indoctrinated by the anti-democratic, disgraced & defeated former president who has rewritten the history surrounding his support of Putin, his extortion of Ukrainian President Zelensky, and his dangerous denigration and disgusting defamation of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

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Old 03-03-2022, 03:32 AM
 
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The bolded goes hand in hand with Trump never should have hired him, as Bolton’s foreign policy views weren’t a secret.

I disagree. I would want as President all options on the table and different points of views of advisors. I want doves and war hawks telling me scenarios. What I don't want is an advisor that steps over his authority and questions the people above him and doesn't want to serve the wishes of his boss and his foreign policy and nags.



JFK had both and JFK would have fired anyone of them if they stepped over the line and question his handling over the Cuban missile crisis and wanted to invade Cuba which some advisors did.


Trump wasn't the problem, it was Bolton and he was fired. Trump didn't know that Bolton was going to act the way he did and refused to served the foreign policy of the President. Bolton wanted to serve his foreign policy. Maybe Bolton should run in 2024 and if the people want his foreign policy then he could run it as President but it won't be in the GOP.
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Old 03-03-2022, 03:45 AM
 
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^^^You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to banjomike

People rooted in reality remember. Patriotic Americans remember. Russians remember & Putin remembers. Then there are the others. Those who have been successfully indoctrinated by the anti-democratic, disgraced & defeated former president who has rewritten the history surrounding his support of Putin, his extortion of Ukrainian President Zelensky, and his dangerous denigration and disgusting defamation of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.



You again. Here is Obama in 2012 telling Russia Medvedev that he would have more flexibility after his re-election about missile defense and going soft on Russia. Then 2 years later Putin expands and Obama does nothing.

This is when this mess starts under Obama and his dumb dumb VP

Obama/Biden refused to give Ukraine lethal weapons. Obama/Biden pushes for the Russian pipeline gas deal. Obama/Biden refuses to do anything in 2014 when Putin expanded and tested the U.S. Obama/Biden refused to callout NATO readiness and let members Not pay their defense dues. These are facts why We are here in 2022.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHmyKksPois
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Old 03-03-2022, 03:50 AM
 
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“The fact is he barely knew where Ukraine was,” said Bolton.

In other words, Trump's many attacks on NATO and Ukraine was Trump doing as he was told by Vlad the Invader aka Putin Pal:

*As POTUS officially criticize & verbally attack Ukraine
*As POTUS blame proved Russian 2016 election interference on Ukraine
*As POTUS withhold military aid from Ukraine
*As POTUS send in Rudy Giuliani and other stooges to undermine President Zelensky
*As POTUS pull knowledgeable and reliable ambassadors like Marie Yovanovitch.


President Trump followed Putin's orders. Full Stop

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Old 03-03-2022, 03:57 AM
 
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Obama in 2014 sent Secretary of State John Kerry to push for the Russian pipeline deal. Kerry was all over Europe especially in Brussels pushing for this.


“The United States, and specifically this administration, has put in an enormous amount of effort to see this project through and to make sure that it is in the place that it is today,” Deputy Assistant Secretary for Energy Diplomacy Amos Hochstein said Wednesday. At the earliest, the pipeline will be completed in 2018, a timetable Hochstein called “ambitious.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2014/...-russia-105786




If Trump ever did this, they would impeached him and criminal charge all his family if they made 1 penny out of this. It shows that when Democrats accuses Trump of selling out to Russia, it's actually them that did it. It's call spin until you convince enough Americans of your b.s.
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Old 03-03-2022, 04:03 AM
 
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Obama in 2015 rejects a gas pipeline in the U.S. so we come more dependable on foreign oil but he pushes Europe and the U.S. to sign the Russian pipe line and be dependent on Russian oil. Now you know why Kerry today was complaining after the Russian attack about global warming.


If Trump did this, he woud be crucified but Obama and Biden gets away with it and the spin.
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Old 03-03-2022, 04:16 AM
 
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Trump never kept the peace at all.

Putin did, only because he wasn't quite ready during the Trump years to take Ukraine by force.

War is expensive. Since Trump was doing such a good job on his behalf, Putin thought he might be able to gain control of Ukraine on our dollar, not his.

John Bolton was there, right in the middle, as Trump's national security advisor, and saw it all personally. He's just repeating the stuff he first wrote in his book, published after he quit. While I have always disliked Bolton because he's such a committed Warhawk, I believe him when he said Trump was a naive baby who liked to play tough guy.

It takes a Warhawk's suspicion to sense another warkhawk's intentions. Putin played Trump like a cheap fiddle. He always wanted the Ukraine region back into the Russian fold. Bolton completely understood him.
Again, I concur.

You know how godawful Trump was?
He's "Oh God, I'm actually agreeing with John Bolton" godawful.

It doesn't get much worse than that.

We likely won't see Bolton on Newsmax in the future. He skewered the ridiculous narrative that Trump was tough on Russia and pointed out the incompetence and ignorance of the disgraced and defeated former POTUS. The Newsmax audience cannot handle or process that.

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Old 03-03-2022, 04:21 AM
 
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OBAMA pushing for the Russian pipeline when he took office when W Bush previously refused.


The U.S. change in tone on the energy question comes amid efforts by the Obama administration to "reset" its relationship with Moscow, which soured after events such as last year's Russia-Georgia war.
President Barack Obama's suspension of plans to install an antiballistic missile system in Eastern Europe, a move that some viewed as a major concession to Russia, has helped to ease tension between Moscow and Washington.
Russian officials welcomed the change in tone on the energy front. "My impression is the new administration is much more constructive," Alexander Medvedev, Gazprom's deputy chief executive, said in an interview.


Washington and Brussels both back Nabucco and the Interconnector Turkey-Greece-Italy, two pipelines that would transport natural gas from the Caspian to the heart of Europe.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB125928663521465843




If Trump ever did that, WW 3 in the states. Obama and Biden are the real Putin's puppets.
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