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Old 03-04-2022, 10:42 AM
 
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Old 03-04-2022, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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High speed rail might work for small countries like Germany, France and UK but the USA is much, much bigger. And people here do not like living in cities, that were decaying at that point.


So we decided to have automobiles for short and medium distances and air travel for longer distances.
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Old 03-04-2022, 10:46 AM
 
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I suggest you read the book The Power Broker OP.

https://www.amazon.com/Power-Broker-.../dp/0394720245


It explains how urban planning in the US became fixated on the dependence of the automobile rather than focusing on mass transit and urban planning with more density and walkability in mind.

The US is just stuck in its ways and will never change its dependency on cars unless the country is somehow ravaged by war and has to rebuild all over again. The best bet is to go electric everything and ditch fossil fuels all together.
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Old 03-04-2022, 10:47 AM
 
Location: USA
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The Cultural Left has been fantasizing about the demise of the suburbs since there were suburbs. It hasn’t happened yet. Unsurprisingly, most people don’t want to live like serfs their whole lives.
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Old 03-04-2022, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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Most people have zero desire to live on top of one another in small apartments.
The high price of Manhattan and San Fransisco rents show otherwise. Plus, the kind of density that exists in the pre WWII urban cores in cities such as Cleveland, Pittsburgh, or St Louis is hardly "living on top of each other."


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This is a big country with land spreading out far and wide. You can keep Manhattan just give me my countryside.
Yeah, that doesn't mean that individual cities and towns need to be sprawling messes. If you like the 'countryside' you should be against sprawl, as countless millions of acres of 'countryside' have been paved over to build more auto-dependent sprawl.
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Old 03-04-2022, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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i suggest you read the book the power broker op.

https://www.amazon.com/power-broker-.../dp/0394720245


it explains how urban planning in the us became fixated on the dependence of the automobile rather than focusing on mass transit and urban planning with more density and walkability in mind.

The us is just stuck in its ways and will never change its dependency on cars unless the country is somehow ravaged by war and has to rebuild all over again. The best bet is to go electric everything and ditch fossil fuels all together.
Electricity doesn't work without abundant oil/fossil fuels.
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Old 03-04-2022, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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High speed rail might work for small countries like Germany, France and UK but the USA is much, much bigger. And people here do not like living in cities, that were decaying at that point.


So we decided to have automobiles for short and medium distances and air travel for longer distances.
The US passenger railway system was once the envy of the world. Now, even Bulgaria would be ashamed to have the US passenger railway system.
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Old 03-04-2022, 10:57 AM
 
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electricity doesn't work without abundant oil/fossil fuels.
lmao. tell that to the millions of people who get electric from nuclear power plants.

these days, solar panels are more viable than ever.

stop making excuses.

going all electric requires bigger investment in larger infrastructure too, duh.
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Old 03-04-2022, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Full Time: N.NJ Part Time: S.CA, ID
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The high price of Manhattan and San Fransisco rents show otherwise. Plus, the kind of density that exists in the pre WWII urban cores in cities such as Cleveland, Pittsburgh, or St Louis is hardly "living on top of each other."
Then why don't you live there vs. a "flyover" part of VA?

Pot meet kettle?
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Old 03-04-2022, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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The Cultural Left has been fantasizing about the demise of the suburbs since there were suburbs. It hasn’t happened yet. Unsurprisingly, most people don’t want to live like serfs their whole lives.
Suburbia is a bizarre, abberant, and terminally unsustainable living arrangement with no future. This has nothing to do with "leftism."

It's interesting that the only alternative to suburbia you see is 'serfdom.'
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