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So first, DeSantis said it.
Then he didn't.
"It was his Comms Director." https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw
"I bet DeSantis made her say that!"
Then I showed, no she never said that about this bill.
Then you said, it was during her off time from her personal account. https://twitter.com/PoliticsAlt77
But even then, I guess, her personal account = DeSantis in your world
Then I searched her personal Twitter and guess what? No grooming.
So, once again "lol" if you want to find and share this, then we can proceed.
Until then "I heard where Biden called Kamala a transgender groomer", and have as much proof as you do.
Sorry if someone else already mention it but I wonder how the Disney board might feel now after they read that article where some Disney employees are busted in child trafficking sting? https://thepostmillennial.com/four-d...i-grooming-law
Quote:
The Sheriff of Polk County held a press conference on Wednesday talking about the culmination of a massive sting operation which lead to 108 arrests being made, including four Disney employees.
This announcement comes after on March 9, just days ago, the CEO of Disney loudly and publicly opposed Florida's new "anti-grooming" law, which, according to polls, is supported by over 60 percent of Americans.
I wonder if the current CEO of Disney might sweat a lot?
And that will stop 4-7 year olds from exhibiting signs of sexual abuse?
That's your takeaway?
Delusional. Truly.
Kids aren't going to identify creepy Uncle Joe as a nonbinary, gender non identified q***r whose been diddling them or Aunt Grace as the monogamous lesbian who has gender fluid tendencies who abuses them.
You think kids will only be able to identify their abusers if they use LGBTQ- approved language?
Do you think all pedophiles are LGBTQ sdfnosnfogs??
And without gender bending instruction, the kids won't be able to communicate to the teacher who is molesting them???
Are you for real? You can't be. You truly cannot be for real. You have just INSULTED the very group you are so adamantly saying you are defending.
Who you aren't defending? The kids.
Exactly this^^^^.
Seems the poster to whom you're directing this response is conflating the presentation of very much inappropriate sex education topics of gender dysphoria and LGBTQ issues to young children (ages 5-8) with the topic of child sexual abuse abuse, claiming that young children would be unable to report such abuse to trusted adults unless they were "schooled" in those gender dysphoria/LGBTQ issues. And it's unlikely that a child experiencing sexual abuse from others will speak up about it in a class where they're talking about "you can be a boy/girl/somewhere in between, whatever you want, we'll help you and we won't tell your parents"", "Johnny's two mommies", "who needs a Mom and a Dad" or whatever the heck it is the people in the school system ( and I'm sure it's not all the teachers) care to impart to these children.
If this poster is as experienced as she claims in what goes on in public schools, or with children, she'd realize that ( as would anyone with experience working with children) these "trusted adults" will approach a child about the possibility of sexual abuse, only if, and when they suspect such abuse might be happening from the child's demeanor, behavior, or comments innocently made by the child, or other clues. And if they suspected such abuse, or see evidence of it, they are obligated as a term of their professional licenses, to report such abuse. And they'd do so regardless of the curriculum.
Sorry if someone else already mention it but I wonder how the Disney board might feel now after they read that article where some Disney employees are busted in child trafficking sting? https://thepostmillennial.com/four-d...i-grooming-law
I wonder if the current CEO of Disney might sweat a lot?
The stings have included Disney people over the years. No different than any other person such as pastors or church leaders, executives, etc. also been caught with these stings.
I see his comments or opinions as being twerked or a contortion of the facts. Twisted in some weird way, that makes no sense
Researchers found the word, one of 500 new dictionary entries, was first used in 1820, spelt twirk, to refer to a “twisting “ or jerking movement or twitch.
You know what I find disgusting? How City-data posters here in this thread talk to you. These are people who have never been involved in schools or have never even had a role where they would come into contact with children on a daily basis.
These people are here thinking they know what is best because some governor decided to try to get them fired up over a problem that doesn't exist.
And they fell for it.
They should be ashamed for talking to someone like you how they do... too bad they just don't have enough IQ points to see the big picture here and how they are being taken advantage of.
I have four decades of experience related directly to public education as a teacher, as an administrator, as an education researcher, as an instructor of future/current teachers. Is that good enough?
It is my sincere hope that other states will adopt a similar law or regulations. Unfortunately, there are far too many teachers right now who are addressing sexual topics inappropriately with younger and younger students. That inappropriateness ranges from addressing the topic unknowingly in a developmentally inappropriate manner to deliberately grooming or fishing. There have been children emotionally damaged, whether it was intentional on the teacher’s part or not. If a K-3 child goes to the teacher with questions about sexuality, no, the teacher should not call the parents. They should send the child to the counselor, who is after all specifically trained to deal with this, because a K-3 student doing so is a red flag since it is not developmentally normal for a child that age to be attuned to sexual matters. The counselor can then decide what is the appropriate next step, whether it’s calling the parents, calling CPS, or just appropriately answering the child’s question.
Parents have a right to know what their children are being taught, they have a right to expect it to be developmentally appropriate, and they have a right to not have their child subjected to social experimentation or a teacher’s personal agenda that conflicts with their values.
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I have four decades of experience related directly to public education as a teacher, as an administrator, as an education researcher, as an instructor of future/current teachers. Is that good enough?
It is my sincere hope that other states will adopt a similar law or regulations. Unfortunately, there are far too many teachers right now who are addressing sexual topics inappropriately with younger and younger students. That inappropriateness ranges from addressing the topic unknowingly in a developmentally inappropriate manner to deliberately grooming or fishing. There have been children emotionally damaged, whether it was intentional on the teacher’s part or not. If a K-3 child goes to the teacher with questions about sexuality, no, the teacher should not call the parents. They should send the child to the counselor, who is after all specifically trained to deal with this, because a K-3 student doing so is a red flag since it is not developmentally normal for a child that age to be attuned to sexual matters. The counselor can then decide what is the appropriate next step, whether it’s calling the parents, calling CPS, or just appropriately answering the child’s question.
Parents have a right to know what their children are being taught, they have a right to expect it to be developmentally appropriate, and they have a right to not have their child subjected to social experimentation or a teacher’s personal agenda that conflicts with their values.
I would be willing to bet that the majority of leftists who are against this bill think that those who believe that there are only two sexes (except for a very tiny percentage of people who were born "intersex") have just not been educated enough to know that their thinking is wrong.
I would also bet that the many leftists think anyone who received a teaching degree more than 25 years ago should no longer be allowed to teach unless they have taken an entire semester of leftist propaganda courses.
I'm not attacking you. The fact that you're against a bill that aims to CONTINUE to protect kids from being taught this nonsense at an early age is really telling. Especially if you claim that you once worked with the Feds against child porn and human smuggling.
If that's really true, then you should know better than anyone else here how adults use grooming, gas lighting, and manipulative tactics to lure these children in. Children can be persuaded very easily at a young age. They don't know any better. All they have is their innocence. And your "rebuttal" is moot because that's NOT what's happening! This bill isn't getting rid of sex education! If students have questions they can go to the school nurse, the school psychologist, guidance counselor, etc. But if those kids are younger than 7, it's not a teachers place to say anything, nor is it any other staff member's place, UNLESS their parents are present for it. And if they're not, then it's a conversation reserved for a PARENT.
I honestly don't get why it bothers you so much that a 4 year old can't ask a teacher about sex. Like seriously, are you even reading what you're typing?! Also, you're trying to shoehorn a totally different situation to justify your pathetic logic. First off, it's not a teacher's job to assume which parents are good and which ones are bad. Having said that, there's been many cases in which a teacher sees possible signs of abuse being inflicted on their students all the time. Sometimes the kids confide in those teachers because they have nowhere else to go. And when those situations happen, the teachers always relay the message to the administrators, who will then get the police involved.
I don't need to think outside the box. All of this should be common sense. And as far as Disney goes, a handful of their employees just got nabbed for human trafficking. Sounds like they have bigger fish to fry than worry about DeSantis, who's actually protecting these kids.
My point is:
1- Sex is not being taught in any grade school lower classes.
2- I posted the verbiage on the posts from the bill. A lay person would say cannot discuss any sex issues.
3- All these types of conversations are to be reported to parents.
We agree so far ?
4- Small aged children cannot report what they do not know.
5- if they have a good parent - they teach kids not to let anyone hurt or touch them or ever talk to them. Stranger Danger .
6 - if they do not have a good parent - they lose
We agree still?
Child abuse is physical- emotional- verbal and sexual. The latter being the most threatening and secretive of all
Teachers can only deem if something is wrong - if -the child shuts down or acts differently.
Your answer- send them to the nurse -or principal who they really do not interact with very often.
DiSantis answer - call the parents.
Can you for a sec think back as a small child - if there’s something bothering you, but afraid to say anything AT HOME- or you feel sad because you feel differently or maybe they are bullying you, whose your next person to maybe help you ? Your teacher. 6/8 hrs a day with them.
Ok if sex is a forbidden subject. The teacher cannot help the child in anyway - call the nurse principal n back to the parents. 99% of the time that may work.
In my experience- many children are lost to bad parents. Not available- drunks - pillheads - dopers etc. To say. There is no parent or barely one there.
I understand some think the groomers are the teachers, and they can be. Pervs are everywhere, but 99% are not, and not are bisexual or gay etc etc. You might find a recruiter- but it’s not all democratic teachers.
I knew of a puppeteer in a church I visited, n the parents allowed the kids to spend the night at his house. He wanted to have sex n later eat the kids. I was shocked at the response of the pastor when it all went down. Total denial- but no urgency to vet the rest of the staff etc. I was more than Pxxd. I cannot explain how many times a parent was involved, but
My point again, is children and teachers should not be bound in total silence with any sex issues or questions. It’s never been a problem, why would it be now ??
Maybe traveling overseas -I saw other countries teach young kids about body parts n basic sex, I’m more intune with educating earlier. That does not mean I want to hurt a child. Ever.
I have four decades of experience related directly to public education as a teacher, as an administrator, as an education researcher, as an instructor of future/current teachers. Is that good enough?
It is my sincere hope that other states will adopt a similar law or regulations. Unfortunately, there are far too many teachers right now who are addressing sexual topics inappropriately with younger and younger students. That inappropriateness ranges from addressing the topic unknowingly in a developmentally inappropriate manner to deliberately grooming or fishing. There have been children emotionally damaged, whether it was intentional on the teacher’s part or not. If a K-3 child goes to the teacher with questions about sexuality, no, the teacher should not call the parents. They should send the child to the counselor, who is after all specifically trained to deal with this, because a K-3 student doing so is a red flag since it is not developmentally normal for a child that age to be attuned to sexual matters. The counselor can then decide what is the appropriate next step, whether it’s calling the parents, calling CPS, or just appropriately answering the child’s question.
Parents have a right to know what their children are being taught, they have a right to expect it to be developmentally appropriate, and they have a right to not have their child subjected to social experimentation or a teacher’s personal agenda that conflicts with their values.
Exactly.
Kids don't have discussions about sex and gender fluidity.
Adults do.
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If students have questions they can go to the school nurse, the school psychologist, guidance counselor, etc. But if those kids are younger than 7, it's not a teachers place to say anything, nor is it any other staff member's place, UNLESS their parents are present for it. And if they're not, then it's a conversation reserved for a PARENT.
He wanted to have sex n later eat the kids. I was shocked at the response of the pastor when it all went down. Total denial- but no urgency to vet the rest of the staff etc. I was more than Pxxd. I cannot explain how many times a parent was involved, but 