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Old 03-28-2022, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Arkansas
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As well as non-government business's. It' called "Affirmative Action".
One of those crazy pieces of terminology which is somehow meant to leave people with the impression that it's good.

In the U.K. they adopted the term "positive discrimination," presumably again using an adjective which is intended to leave people with the impression that it's something good and desirable. But obviously discrimination by its very nature has to contain both a positive and a negative element. You can't discriminate in favor of one person or thing without simultaneously discriminating against the other person or thing. "Positive discrimination" could just as easily apply to favoring white candidates over black as black over white, and would be just as much a nonsensical term either way.
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Old 03-28-2022, 03:02 PM
 
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Discrimination is discrimination!

"And eventually the irish were allowed to become "white" in America."

And eventually the BLACKS were allowed to do what they wanted in America.

Like someone said, if things are so bad here for some blacks, they are FREE to go back to Africa.
there's a massive difference between VOLUNTARY AND INVOLUNTARY. Like i said, the Irish came here voluntarily, and they weren't slaves, they were indentured servants. They eventually became "white". Please stop making that stupid comparison trying to downplay what black people have gone through in this country.
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Old 03-28-2022, 03:06 PM
 
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The government is already implementing reparations at the federal, state and local levels. They call it "Social Justice/Racial Equity" initiatives.
Up until recently (like the last 2 or 3 years) there have never been reparations programs specifically for black americans. there's some small experimental programs going on here and there in america but it's not the big one. Like literally a few hundred people getting some little monthly checks.

And Affirmative Action, Welfare, etc are not reparations. Neither one of these were exclusively for black americans that descend from slaves. Everybody, including white people qualified for these and they weren't built to close any wealth gaps.
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Old 03-28-2022, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Coastal Mid-Atlantic
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Up until recently (like the last 2 or 3 years) there have never been reparations programs specifically for black americans. there's some small experimental programs going on here and there in america but it's not the big one. Like literally a few hundred people getting some little monthly checks.

And Affirmative Action, Welfare, etc are not reparations. Neither one of these were exclusively for black americans that descend from slaves. Everybody, including white people qualified for these and they weren't built to close any wealth gaps.

Reparations for what. You really want to collect on some one else's hardships. What kind of a heartless person does that to their own relatives.
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Old 03-28-2022, 11:22 PM
 
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Up until recently (like the last 2 or 3 years) there have never been reparations programs specifically for black americans. there's some small experimental programs going on here and there in america but it's not the big one. Like literally a few hundred people getting some little monthly checks.

And Affirmative Action, Welfare, etc are not reparations. Neither one of these were exclusively for black americans that descend from slaves. Everybody, including white people qualified for these and they weren't built to close any wealth gaps.
By "Equity", they make it clear they don't mean "Equality".
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Old 03-29-2022, 04:55 AM
 
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there's a massive difference between VOLUNTARY AND INVOLUNTARY. Like i said, the Irish came here voluntarily, and they weren't slaves, they were indentured servants. They eventually became "white". Please stop making that stupid comparison trying to downplay what black people have gone through in this country.
The first blacks here were were ALSO Indentured Servants.

"Indentured Servants In The U.S. Indentured servants first arrived in America in the decade following the settlement of Jamestown by the Virginia Company in 1607.
The idea of indentured servitude was born of a need for cheap labor. The earliest settlers soon realized that they had lots of land to care for, but no one to care for it. With passage to the Colonies expensive for all but the wealthy, the Virginia Company developed the system of indentured servitude to attract workers. Indentured servants became vital to the colonial economy."

https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetec...nts-in-the-us/
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Old 03-29-2022, 09:42 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Many European immigrants and Jews faced oppression and discrimination in America.

Where are their reparations?
What about Native Americans that were enslaved by other tribes?
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Old 03-29-2022, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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"The reasoning for the reparations is"

The is NO reasoning for for reparations!
That’s the troubling precedent. I’m all for making restitution where a (recent) injustice has been made, but if this goes through what stops the next person from raiding coffers for their constituency in the name of some ill of the past with the receivership being inherited.
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Old 03-29-2022, 10:27 AM
 
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Precisely. Today we (in the west and many other places) accept that slavery was (and is, because it's still going on in some parts of the world) immoral, but the fact is that for much of mankind's history it was regarded as normal - And it wasn't based specifically on the idea of one race enslaving those of another race. People of a particular race enslaved people of the same race from neighboring tribes or countries.

As a Brit, there's a good chance that if I could trace my lineage back far enough I might have had an ancestor who had land stolen during the Norman invasion of the 11th century. Going back even further, I might have a distant ancestor who had land stolen and was enslaved by the Romans when they invaded Britain.

I believe that the continued call for reparations - whether at national, state, or local level - is just causing even more division between people, and ultimately is going to hinder race relations rather than improve them. But then that's what some people want.
Great post.

As a Brit, there is a good chance if you trace your lineage back that you are Roman.

I doubt there are any people alive that don't have a slave in their family tree. Some more recent than others.

Most people are unaware that the Brits for 1000 years or more were basically treated exactly how the Americas were treated by Euro colonists once the technology to travel there became available.
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Old 03-29-2022, 10:30 AM
 
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What about Native Americans that were enslaved by other tribes?
One of the most famous indians in US history is Sacajawea. She's one of the few, if not only one on US currency, at least modern currency.

....and she was enslaved by a rival indian tribe and sold to a French trapper\trader named Charbineau.

They're sure not likely to teach that in any pre-college history books.
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