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Old 04-09-2022, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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What are the Country’s values that make it exceptional?
what are France's?

you made the assertion that "social spending reflects a Country’s values". What are our values?

this line of questioning seems to have no relevance to the topic, yet you persist.
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Old 04-09-2022, 01:41 PM
 
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you keep typing this, and I do not know why. It seems to be Ayn Rand-ian, but not being a devotee I can't say for sure.

perhaps it's based on Adam Smith's invisible hand.

I like this fairly succinct explanation

https://www.stlouisfed.org/education...market-economy
If you’re bringing up Adam Smith to bolster your opinions on these matters, you might as well familiarize yourself with his writings:
”The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities."
~Adam Smith (1776)

“A man must always live by his work, and his wages must at least be sufficient to maintain him. They must even upon most occasions be somewhat more; otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family, and the race of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.”

“No society can flourish of which the greater part is poor and miserable.”

~Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations
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Old 04-09-2022, 01:48 PM
 
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what are France's?

you made the assertion that "social spending reflects a Country’s values". What are our values?

this line of questioning seems to have no relevance to the topic, yet you persist.
Starting with the premise that “social spending reflects a Country’s values”, I asked what then are our values? & this is how you responded:

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we're in 2nd place overall, as I stated.
What specifically do we value? Why avoid the question?
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Old 04-09-2022, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Social spending reflects a Country’s values, according to that chart we are average yet expect ‘exceptional’.
We are forced to conclude that you're poorly educated or that you believe your own lies.

In a nation-State, there is only one value because there is only one culture, because, well, it's a nation.

The US is not a nation, never has been, and never will be, and it most certainly is not a nation-State.

Just so you understand, the Chickasaw Nation is a nation. It is also a nation-State, since it is confined to the boundaries of the Chickasaw Nation Reservation.

The US is a country. It is multi-cultural and consists of many nations. More than 1,500 nations, which would be the 567 aboriginal nations, plus more than 1,000 nations from around the world.

A multi-cultural society does not have a single value. It has many values that reflect all of the many cultures, ie nations within its borders.

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If you’re bringing up Adam Smith to bolster your opinions on these matters, you might as well familiarize yourself with his writings:
”The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities."
~Adam Smith (1776)

“A man must always live by his work, and his wages must at least be sufficient to maintain him. They must even upon most occasions be somewhat more; otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family, and the race of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.”

“No society can flourish of which the greater part is poor and miserable.”

~Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations
And you might want to familiarize yourself with the differences between Political views, Social views, and Economic views.

Those quotes are political/social in nature. They are not about economics. There is no law, theory, or corollary in Economics that says "subjects ought to contribute towards the support of the government."

I would point out that Adam Smith was a monarchist, while the overwhelming majority of Americans are republicans (not Republicans.)

That is a fantastic example of the differences in culture and the differences between a nation-State and a country.

And, contrary to your false beliefs, wages in the US are sufficient to maintain a person.

The fact that wages aren't enough for a person to have a 4,400 sq ft $500,000 McMansion, and 3 cars less than 3 years old and spend $400/month at Starsux and the ability to consume 34% of the world's non-oil resources is not proof that wages are insufficient.
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Old 04-09-2022, 05:02 PM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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So this is an executive order or are we expecting this would pass in the Senate?
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Old 04-09-2022, 05:07 PM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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What are the Country’s values that make it exceptional?
^^^
And there's leftism in a nutshell folks.
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Old 04-09-2022, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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No, it doesn’t. It reflects the value of those who force other people to pay for their compassion!

It’s just evil.
So it's evil to be compassionate? That's a rather odd way of looking at things.
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Old 04-09-2022, 07:53 PM
 
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So it's evil to be compassionate? That's a rather odd way of looking at things.
It’s evil to force others to spend their money to fulfill your idea of compassion.
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Old 04-09-2022, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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So it's evil to be compassionate? That's a rather odd way of looking at things.
If 'compassion' requires that you first must rob people under threat of sending them to prison, so you can have their money, then it is NOT compassion.

Compassion only works when it is done willingly.
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Old 04-09-2022, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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Wealth has always been taxed and by most Governments on the planet. Nothing new.
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