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Old 04-21-2022, 02:04 PM
 
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At the time, 1967, Florida's Republican governor, Claude Kirk, supported the creation of Reedy Creek because it meant Disney itself funded the infrastructure needed to support the park.
Lol, were you born yesterday?

 
Old 04-21-2022, 02:08 PM
 
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At the time, in 1967, Florida's Republican governor, Claude Kirk, supported the creation of Reedy Creek because it meant Disney itself funded the infrastructure needed to support the park.
Yes and it was nothing but empty swampland in 1967. The value of that land was created by Disney. The lawyers are going to have a field day over this but it's Florida taxpayers that will ultimately pay.
 
Old 04-21-2022, 02:09 PM
 
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Lol, were you born yesterday?
Even then, Republicans ran on a platform of low taxes.

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Yes and it was nothing but empty swampland in 1967. The value of that land was created by Disney. The lawyers are going to have a field day over this but it's Florida taxpayers that will ultimately pay.
My MIL is an Orlando native, and she still nurses hatred of Disney for destroying her hometown. I have no idea why as you are absolutely correct that it was nothing but swamp at the time.
 
Old 04-21-2022, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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I would just like to post here, for benefit of any Disney supporters claiming they are guilty of nothing more than opposing DeSantis’ bill, Disney’s official press release on this matter (which they insistently opened up with by calling it the Don’t Say Gay law, in itself an extremely dishonest move):

"Florida’s HB 1557, also known as the ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill, should never have passed and should never have been signed into law," Disney said. "Our goal as a company is for this law to be repealed by the legislature or struck down in the courts, and we remain committed to supporting the national and state organizations working to achieve that. We are dedicated to standing up for the rights and safety of LGBTQ+ members of the Disney family, as well as the LGBTQ+ community in Florida and across the country."

Now, who would like to step up once again and reiterate that all Disney has done is voice their opposition?
to expand ...

this all blew up on Feb 24th. Before that, TQ activists were whining all over the media and had gotten the MSM to label it the "Don't Say Gay bill".

Recently retired Iger retweeted a "Biden" tweet on Feb 24th.

https://twitter.com/RobertIger/statu...64238145171458

On March 8th, the bill passed both houses and went to DeSantis.

Up to then, Chapek claimed he had been working "behind the scenes" with the FL legislators, presumably those it has the closest "ties" with (read campaign donations & policy positions)....except they had donated to many of the sponsors.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/09/disn...n-florida.html

It was in March, at the Annual Shareholder's meeting, that he finally said something publicly. He said his backroom approach "didn't get the job done."

On March 9, Chapek declared he was going to meet with DeSantis (and Disney had already given DeSantis PAC $100K). This was all bluster, because DeSantis said a meeting was never requested, and in fact reiterated his position wouldn't change, all the while extolling the virtues of Disney's family entertainment.

On Friday March 11, Disney announced it was suspending ALL political donations in FL. Which, btw, was roundly applauded by the LGBTQ crowd until they realized it said ALL political donations. But they did commit $5MM to LGBTQ causes. On March 11, he posted this letter to employees

https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/sta...btq-community/

Where he chose to call it the "Don't Say Gay" bill. One wonders when he ever read the bill, or had one of his people give him a bullet point detail of it. He also trotted out the "I haven't been a good enough ALLY to you."

Well, that wasn't good enough because on Monday March 14th, "Disney Walkout" sprung to life with a statement claiming the response "utterly failed to match the magnitude of the threat to LGBTQ safety represented by this legislation". Disney Walkout was going to have "walkouts", errr....some kind of daily 15 minute protest on their break, "culminating" in a widespread total walkout on March 22, which ended up involving maybe 300 people. Yeah, a few Disney celebs and lib activists like Mark Ruffalo tossed out supportive tweets. This twitter account, today, has fewer than 10K followers.

https://twitter.com/DisneyWalkout/st...76096431366145

Now, those 300-loud voices were offset by all the employees who were saying "Stay out of these politics." They are the ones who went unheard.

On walkout day, March 22nd, Disney came out with this more subdued statement of support for LGBTQ

https://www.instagram.com/p/CbaAtxTMwv2/

DeSantis didn't sign it until March 28th. And this was Disney's response (as per above, verbatim):

https://twitter.com/WaltDisneyCo/sta...94672817123330

Don't Say Gay (does it again, ********* parents!)
should never have passed - you hateful legislators!
and never been signed - you stupid Governor


Disney/Chapek has never elucidated a SINGLE point of the bill that they disagreed with.
 
Old 04-21-2022, 02:11 PM
 
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At the time, in 1967, Florida's Republican governor, Claude Kirk, supported the creation of Reedy Creek because it meant Disney itself funded the infrastructure needed to support the park.
Needless to say, the result of eliminating this special district means nearly $1 billion in debt gets transferred to Orange and Osceola counties. Orange County estimates that they may have to increase taxes by 20%.

But let's cheer Ron DeSantis for making a stand on The Current Thing. Very responsible.

Link for those who are curious.

Last edited by midnight_thunder; 04-21-2022 at 02:14 PM.. Reason: added a link
 
Old 04-21-2022, 02:13 PM
 
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to expand ...

this all blew up on Feb 24th. Before that, TQ activists were whining all over the media and had gotten the MSM to label it the "Don't Say Gay bill".

Recently retired Iger retweeted a "Biden" tweet on Feb 24th.

https://twitter.com/RobertIger/statu...64238145171458

On March 8th, the bill passed both houses and went to DeSantis.

Up to then, Chapek claimed he had been working "behind the scenes" with the FL legislators, presumably those it has the closest "ties" with (read campaign donations & policy positions)....except they had donated to many of the sponsors.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/09/disn...n-florida.html

It was in March, at the Annual Shareholder's meeting, that he finally said something publicly. He said his backroom approach "didn't get the job done."

On March 9, Chapek declared he was going to meet with DeSantis (and Disney had already given DeSantis PAC $100K). This was all bluster, because DeSantis said a meeting was never requested, and in fact reiterated his position wouldn't change, all the while extolling the virtues of Disney's family entertainment.

On Friday March 11, Disney announced it was suspending ALL political donations in FL. Which, btw, was roundly applauded by the LGBTQ crowd until they realized it said ALL political donations. But they did commit $5MM to LGBTQ causes. On March 11, he posted this letter to employees

https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/sta...btq-community/

Where he chose to call it the "Don't Say Gay" bill. One wonders when he ever read the bill, or had one of his people give him a bullet point detail of it. He also trotted out the "I haven't been a good enough ALLY to you."

Well, that wasn't good enough because on Monday March 14th, "Disney Walkout" sprung to life with a statement claiming the response "utterly failed to match the magnitude of the threat to LGBTQ safety represented by this legislation". Disney Walkout was going to have "walkouts", errr....some kind of daily 15 minute protest on their break, "culminating" in a widespread total walkout on March 22, which ended up involving maybe 300 people. Yeah, a few Disney celebs and lib activists like Mark Ruffalo tossed out supportive tweets. This twitter account, today, has fewer than 10K followers.

https://twitter.com/DisneyWalkout/st...76096431366145

Now, those 300-loud voices were offset by all the employees who were saying "Stay out of these politics." They are the ones who went unheard.

On walkout day, March 22nd, Disney came out with this more subdued statement of support for LGBTQ

https://www.instagram.com/p/CbaAtxTMwv2/

DeSantis didn't sign it until March 28th. And this was Disney's response (as per above, verbatim):

https://twitter.com/WaltDisneyCo/sta...94672817123330

Don't Say Gay (does it again, ********* parents!)
should never have passed - you hateful legislators!
and never been signed - you stupid Governor


Disney/Chapek has never elucidated a SINGLE point of the bill that they disagreed with.
Does Disney have the right to free speech? DeSantis and the GOP are very open that this is a punishment for daring to disagree with their bill. The lawsuit writes itself.
 
Old 04-21-2022, 02:16 PM
 
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Does Disney have the right to free speech?

I remember when Democrats used to tell everyone that corporations aren't people.


Look what happens when you welcome Mitt Romney into your little cult....I mean party.
 
Old 04-21-2022, 02:19 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Originally Posted by Seacove View Post
The same party that promoted Citizen's United and opposed "cancel culture" suddenly opposes Disney for simply disagreeing with them on a bill.
not this tired, sad lie again

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Originally Posted by uggabugga View Post
it was NOT because disney opposed it - it's because they loudly declared they'd actively fight to get it overturned.
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Originally Posted by ATX Wahine View Post
You’re being dishonest here, which isn’t a stretch for you, but allow me to clarify your lie:

Disney didn’t just disagree with this bill. They mobilized the media, their shareholders, their fans, social media, celebrities, attorneys, and lobbyist groups in order to attempt to get it shot down.

Can you just please be honest about that part? They did a lot more than just snap their fingers and say “darn it!”

Your suggestion for them to pull up stakes and move is about the most ludicrous thing I’ve heard on the subject. You need a pat on the head.
beat me to it. well done
 
Old 04-21-2022, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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Please don't be naïve. My husband's employer and his clients, many of the largest corporations in America, are all onboard with what you would call "woke" politics. They're not going to stop wielding their power, and you can thank the 14th Amendment and Citizens United for that.
and that's a critical point.

Do you think they REALLY are? Or do you think they're calculating the pressure of being "out" against wokeness?

Hey, if they're far-left progressives, good for them. They've got an audience/client base.

But do you really think the majority of adults believe kids in K-3 in FL, or anywhere in America, should be receiving intentional instruction on gender changing and sexual preference?

Now, the TQ's are gonna have an easy victory. They're going to find a 2nd grade teacher that has a worksheet that says "Sally has 2 pieces of candy and SHE buys 2 more." -!!!!!! SHE is gender!!! You can't do that!1!!!!!

And the mockery will grow less silent, and less tolerant of their inanity.
 
Old 04-21-2022, 02:21 PM
 
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But you think that they do, until you don't.

No, I think Disney was receiving special tax payer dollars that went above and beyond normal incentives.


And that's fine, if that's what the people want.


Looks like that's no longer what the people want.


A majority of Florida Democrats also agree with the new school regulations to clamp down on the trans ideology predators.


Looks like you rolled snake eyes.
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