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Old 05-08-2022, 08:55 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by tinytrump View Post
The pregnancy hurts the woman or girl, if this is the last thing they want. Unless someone has been pregnant, I think they can’t say much. Men have no value in this discussion -really. They can’t know.
Men have no value in the discussion? You've obviously never known men who've mourned the loss of their children their partner unilaterally decided to abort without the father's input or consent.

Many men want to be a father and this is a devastating, soul-crushing loss to them.

 
Old 05-08-2022, 09:00 AM
 
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The pregnancy hurts the woman or girl, if this is the last thing they want. Unless someone has been pregnant, I think they can’t say much. Men have no value in this discussion -really. They can’t know.
Did they have value when they were on the Supreme Court?

This is such an IDIOTIC argument it astounds me every time it's trotted out.

Should men not be permitted to be OBGYNs? Just ban them from practicing medicine?

Good grief.
 
Old 05-08-2022, 09:00 AM
 
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Men can always try again. Women have 1 body, and there is no practical do-over.
That literally makes no sense. Women who know they don't want children can choose to be sterilized. Others can have many children.
 
Old 05-08-2022, 09:06 AM
 
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It's not about not wanting children, it's about not wanting a child in the present situation.
That's clearly not the issue as 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to women VOLUNTARILY participating in unprotected male/female sex. They're CHOOSING pregnancy as an outcome.
 
Old 05-08-2022, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Did they have value when they were on the Supreme Court?

This is such an IDIOTIC argument it astounds me every time it's trotted out.

Should men not be permitted to be OBGYNs? Just ban them from practicing medicine?

Good grief.
IMO, women's health care got much better after women OB/GYNs started appearing in the profession. They understand the female body at the gut level, so to speak.
 
Old 05-08-2022, 09:12 AM
 
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It will return us to the rule of law.. not made up rights.

In any event... overturning Roe will simply give the issues back to the states. Probably 50% of the states will keep it legal on demand.

What is the big deal about going to another state?
If you live in South Texas and have to drive 500 miles or more one way, it's a big deal. Especially if you are poor.
 
Old 05-08-2022, 09:15 AM
 
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IMO, women's health care got much better after women OB/GYNs started appearing in the profession. They understand the female body at the gut level, so to speak.
Best GYN I had was a male. Go figure.

Should males be banned from gynecology and obstetrics?

From oncology in cases of breast cancer, cervial cancer, ovarian cancer? Since they can't have any opinion on women's health?
 
Old 05-08-2022, 09:20 AM
 
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IMO, women's health care got much better after women OB/GYNs started appearing in the profession. They understand the female body at the gut level, so to speak.
Midwives are the best in my opinion. They preceded OBGYNs who are actually surgeons. Women have been treated terribly while in labor by the medical industry.
 
Old 05-08-2022, 09:21 AM
 
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Some states are working to pass laws to stop their citizens from going to another state to get an abortion. What will happen is those states which pass harsh abortion laws will likely lose large business's, and investment that goes along with it. If they want to create a 3rd world state for themselves that's what is going to happen. I also expect some of these states that are turning blue voters could end up voting in democrat leaning state governments. The GOP thinks this was a victory it will be a failure as they lose control of these states.
More than half the abortions in this country are medically induced. Sure states can ban their sale but they cannot stop them from being sold on the black market. For the other half who want a regular abortion there will be assistance out there. No way states can know if a woman is leaving the state for an abortion.

And to me its very hypocritical for a state to try to stop another state from doing what it should be allowed to do. So if Texas bans abortions and has a right to do so, if say Colorado its legal what gives Texas the right to stop a woman from going there for an abortion?

Sure there could be some boycotting of states who pass strict abortion laws. But then others will invest there who agree with the new laws. It will cancel out.

But the best solution for the above is better sex education and wider use of birth control.
 
Old 05-08-2022, 09:24 AM
 
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You Liberty Patriots are too funny! You’re all about freedom until it applies to a woman’s right to choose what she wants for her own body. “Liberty” and “Freedom” seem to stop there.

May the Ghosts of Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton and Ben Franklin BITE you all tonite for misrepresenting the foundational truths of this country.
Except for the last part you sound like Justice Sandra Day O’Connor in PLANNED PARENTHOOD OF SOUTHEASTERN PA. v. CASEY in 1992. This was the first attempt to overturn Roe v. Wade, she wrote:
These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life. Beliefs about these matters could not define the attributes of personhood were they formed under compulsion of the State.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supre...t/505/833.html
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