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Old 05-11-2022, 02:51 AM
 
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You repeat the same thing over and over and still doesn't change the fact that abortions isn't in the constitution or prohibited to the people to regulate or prohibit by legislation.
Because you seem to be missing their point. Are you also ok with all the other rights going away that they mentioned? Because if we buy into alitos reasoning, then all of those things ALSO are something states can decide.

Alitos reasoning was to find the result, not to ifnd the law. Its a travesty that will damage our respect for the court system, and our country. When you take something people view as a right away, you can expect some pretty dramatic responses.

Know why the republicans refuse to spike the football? Because they all know how unpopular this is. they KNOW this is not the will of the people.

 
Old 05-11-2022, 04:22 AM
 
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So what's the standard to verify rape? Just show up and say so and no questions ask? Just put a check mark on the questionnaire and that's it, add it to the yearly report.
Wow…most misogynistic remark I have ever seen.
 
Old 05-11-2022, 04:31 AM
 
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Wrong again, the constitution doesn't say anything about abortions or prohibiting the people how to regulate it. You are just making law based on your feelings.
It doesn’t say anything about birth control either, yet the Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution of the United States protects the liberty of married couples to buy and use contraceptives without government interference. (Griswold v Conn)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griswold_v._Connecticut

This idea that if the Constitution does not explicitly state something then it is a matter left to the States is inconsistent with historical precedent. You are the one picking specific issues to make law based on your feelings.
 
Old 05-11-2022, 04:31 AM
 
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Because you seem to be missing their point. Are you also ok with all the other rights going away that they mentioned? Because if we buy into alitos reasoning, then all of those things ALSO are something states can decide.

Alitos reasoning was to find the result, not to ifnd the law. Its a travesty that will damage our respect for the court system, and our country. When you take something people view as a right away, you can expect some pretty dramatic responses.

Know why the republicans refuse to spike the football? Because they all know how unpopular this is. they KNOW this is not the will of the people.

The "right" belongs to the baby. Abortion takes away that "right".
 
Old 05-11-2022, 04:39 AM
 
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You repeat the same thing over and over and still doesn't change the fact that abortions isn't in the constitution or prohibited to the people to regulate or prohibit by legislation.
Your inability to recognize your inconsistency in applying the same standard (if it is not explicitly stated in the Constitution it’s left to the States) is equally redundant. Do you believe that the State should be able prohibit people from using "any drug, medicinal article or instrument for the purpose of preventing conception"? That means Texas could say it is crime to purchase/sell condoms, IUDs, birth control pills, etc….all the things that would prevent unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Answer the damn question.
 
Old 05-11-2022, 05:02 AM
 
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Your inability to recognize your inconsistency in applying the same standard (if it is not explicitly stated in the Constitution it’s left to the States) is equally redundant. Do you believe that the State should be able prohibit people from using "any drug, medicinal article or instrument for the purpose of preventing conception"? That means Texas could say it is crime to purchase/sell condoms, IUDs, birth control pills, etc….all the things that would prevent unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Answer the damn question.

The real "rights" in this issue are the baby's rights which abortion takes away.
 
Old 05-11-2022, 05:15 AM
 
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The real "rights" in this issue are the baby's rights which abortion takes away.
The problem is when to say "that's an individual with its own rights"? Some put that at conception, some put that all the way to it's first breath (Barbara Bush). Most put that line somewhere in between. Where do you put it and why is that the standard we all should use?
 
Old 05-11-2022, 05:44 AM
 
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The real "rights" in this issue are the baby's rights which abortion takes away.
Another individual heard from who refuses to answer the question.

Your inability to recognize your inconsistency in applying the same standard (if it is not explicitly stated in the Constitution it’s left to the States) is equally redundant. Do you believe that the State should be able prohibit people from using "any drug, medicinal article or instrument for the purpose of preventing conception"? That means Texas could say it is crime to purchase/sell condoms, IUDs, birth control pills, etc….all the things that would prevent unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Answer the damn question.
 
Old 05-11-2022, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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The problem is when to say "that's an individual with its own rights"? Some put that at conception, some put that all the way to it's first breath (Barbara Bush). Most put that line somewhere in between. Where do you put it and why is that the standard we all should use?
^ This is really the crux of the matter when you are talking about a 'baby's' rights.

OAN - The draft opinion talks about how at various times, historically, the developmental stages of a fetus were detailed out, in an effort, I presume, to try to be precise about when the fetus might actually be viable or be considered 'a baby.' IMO, a zygote on day one of fertilization is not a 'baby' but as pregnancy progresses, it becomes very cloudy and each person, depending on upbringing, spiritual/moral grounding, etc, is going to have a different opinion. At 15 weeks, the fetus has all the parts necessary to 'become' a human being.
 
Old 05-11-2022, 06:01 AM
 
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^ This is really the crux of the matter when you are talking about a 'baby's' rights.

OAN - The draft opinion talks about how at various times, historically, the developmental stages of a fetus were detailed out, in an effort, I presume, to try to be precise about when the fetus might actually be viable or be considered 'a baby.' IMO, a zygote on day one of fertilization is not a 'baby' but as pregnancy progresses, it becomes very cloudy and each person, depending on upbringing, spiritual/moral grounding, etc, is going to have a different opinion. At 15 weeks, the fetus has all the parts necessary to 'become' a human being.
What are all the necessary parts required to be considered a human being?
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