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Old 10-18-2023, 10:49 PM
 
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The gamble is if Trump is found not guilty in the federal, and Georgia trials that could boost him through to a victory although I still think he will have trouble with MI, and PA really needs to win both to get enough votes.

Trump doesn't need MI or PA but if Trumps wins easily Ohio for the 3rd time then that will put in play PA and MI because those states are connected. RCP average polls has Trump beating Biden in Ohio by 9 average. Trump won Ohio in 2016 and 2020 by 8%. Trump wins it again by that margin and PA, MI, WI will be in play again.



Trump needs to win 3 out of these 4 to be #47: Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin or PA. He wins PA and is basically over for Biden but if Trump loses PA, he needs to drop a triple on election night in Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin.



Trump already have 25 states. Biden's approval on the economy is stuck @ 37%. I can't remember a President winning re-election with 37% approval on the economy.
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Old 10-18-2023, 10:56 PM
 
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Biden and Harris have this wrapped up it was decided in November 22 when 7 swing states voted for Democrats over Trumps endorsed candidates. Those same voters are not going to turn around and vote for Trump. Trump can't win without PA, and MI which both have turned solid blue.
The voters don't hold their local Representatives responsible for inflation, gas hike, Biden Crime Syndicate family, etc during the midterm election 2022. They weren't voting for Joe Biden


Does that mean they will not hold Joe Biden responsible for all the issues facing the country when it's Joe's name in the ballot in 2024? You are not going win a presidential election if the economy is trash
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Old 10-18-2023, 11:03 PM
 
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A couple of states are trying to keep him off the ballot, and RFK is going to crimp his style. I don’t see Trump as being a serious contender, regardless of the lay of the land at this point in time.

When a sitting President has an approval of 37% on the economy, any challenger is serious. RCP average has Trump beating a sitting President. Biden is in trouble. He is No Reagan or Obama on re-election. He is behind the 8 ball. He should be close to 50% approval on the economy and still that would be a tough re-election and he is at 37%


Biden barely won in 2020 by a crazy pandemic and he is not going to get re-elected stuck @ 37% on the economy. He needs to be close to 50.


Biden barely won by a hair in 2020 and his approval was 51%. Now he is below 40. No wonder they are throwing the kitchen sink at Trump. Democrats are hoping that will stop him.
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Old 10-18-2023, 11:06 PM
 
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Does that mean they will not hold Joe Biden responsible for all the issues facing the country when it's Joe's name in the ballot in 2024? You are not going win a presidential election if the economy is trash

Nope. 2024 is a referendum on Biden for re-election and having a 37% approval on the economy spells defeat.
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Old 10-18-2023, 11:37 PM
 
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Biden and Harris have this wrapped up it was decided in November 22 when 7 swing states voted for Democrats over Trumps endorsed candidates. Those same voters are not going to turn around and vote for Trump. Trump can't win without PA, and MI which both have turned solid blue.
From what these voters have seen since then though may well keep them from voting for Biden.
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Old 10-19-2023, 12:00 AM
 
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The voters don't hold their local Representatives responsible for inflation, gas hike, Biden Crime Syndicate family, etc during the midterm election 2022. They weren't voting for Joe Biden


Does that mean they will not hold Joe Biden responsible for all the issues facing the country when it's Joe's name in the ballot in 2024? You are not going win a presidential election if the economy is trash
I heard all that in 2022 what happened in the swing states?
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Old 10-19-2023, 12:09 AM
 
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I heard all that in 2022 what happened in the swing states?
you heard what in the swing states?

i didn't know swing states were voting for Joe Biden during midterm election 2022
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Old 10-19-2023, 12:21 AM
 
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Trump doesn't need MI or PA but if Trumps wins easily Ohio for the 3rd time then that will put in play PA and MI because those states are connected. RCP average polls has Trump beating Biden in Ohio by 9 average. Trump won Ohio in 2016 and 2020 by 8%. Trump wins it again by that margin and PA, MI, WI will be in play again.



Trump needs to win 3 out of these 4 to be #47: Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin or PA. He wins PA and is basically over for Biden but if Trump loses PA, he needs to drop a triple on election night in Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin.



Trump already have 25 states. Biden's approval on the economy is stuck @ 37%. I can't remember a President winning re-election with 37% approval on the economy.

That's a pipe dream Trump winning PA and MI never going to happen. MI flipped their Legislature to democrat control hasn't happened since 1984. PA voted in Fetterman over a heart surgeon.


He won't win WI, GA, or AZ best he ever get is one of those not all 3.
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Old 10-19-2023, 12:22 AM
 
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Will win: Biden/Harris

Wish would win: Cheney/Kinzinger
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Old 10-19-2023, 01:25 AM
 
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That's a pipe dream Trump winning PA and MI never going to happen. MI flipped their Legislature to democrat control hasn't happened since 1984. PA voted in Fetterman over a heart surgeon.


He won't win WI, GA, or AZ best he ever get is one of those not all 3.

More of your wishful thinking. Do you understand that Biden having a 37% approval on the economy puts PA, MI, WI, GA and AZ at play? Trump winning Ohio will put PA, MI and WI at play like it did in the last 2 elections.



What does the state legislative branch has to do with Biden's 37% approval on the economy and his re-election bid? The Democrats have only a 1 vote lead in the Michigan state legislative branch. That has nothing to do with Biden or a Presidential election. Republicans in Michigan had the governor's mansion and the majority of the state legislative branch and lost Presidential elections. 2 different things that you mix up.


2024 is a referendum on Biden which you seem to ignore. He has to be around 50% approval on the economy and he is at 37%.


He barely won in 2020: GA by 0.2%, AZ by 0.3%, WI by 0.6%, PA by 1.2%. His approval in 2020 were close to 50%. Now is at 37%.


Trump doesn't need PA or MI to win but with Biden's numbers on the economy in the toilet and the fact Trump will win Ohio again that will put PA, MI and WI in play. Those are the facts. The question is if people will come out to vote for Biden like in 2020 with his cr@ppy numbers. I don't think so.
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