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Old 05-20-2022, 01:18 PM
 
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As soon as Trump got into office he started implementing Executive Orders (E.O.) specifically designed to bolster the economy, lessen the economic burdens of federal regulations, reduce illegal immigration and lessen the burden they inflict upon the nationetc... In other words, Trump started policies to improve the economy as soon as he took office. So Trump did have a positive effect on our economy during his first year in office.
This is exactly why I voted for Trump in the first place. His initial policies were a breath of fresh air, and I wouldn't dispute their positive impact on the economy. We were riding high, and he was seemingly coasting to a second term. I wish those policies could've naturally played out on their own merits. But they were followed by rampant spending with the Fed fueling the fire. By the time covid rolled around and aggressive stimulus was warranted, most of the arrows had already been shot and the quiver was empty. Then Biden happened and here we are, fighting over baby formula.
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Old 05-20-2022, 01:20 PM
 
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You would say the complete opposite if your orange nemesis was in the white house though, wouldn't you???
Show me on the doll where I hurt you?

If I wanted to blame your orange God I would have simply replied that we are still under a "Trump" economy. But I didn't. How's that egg feel?
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Old 05-20-2022, 01:23 PM
 
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The Fed stepped in. Makes a difference. The markets would have responded even if Trump were in office.

I still think we should have taken our lumps in 2008 instead of bailing out everybody and his brother.

Last edited by trobesmom; 05-20-2022 at 01:36 PM..
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Old 05-20-2022, 01:28 PM
 
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Sounds like you are wrong a lot and should re-evaluate your set of values and decisions.
Seems unnecessarily harsh. My values include admitting when I'm wrong and considering the opinions of others to make better informed decisions in the future. Life is a journey!
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Old 05-20-2022, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Normally during a president's first year in office the state of the economy cannot be blamed on him, nor credited to him.

However:

As soon as Trump got into office he started implementing Executive Orders (E.O.) specifically designed to bolster the economy, lessen the economic burdens of federal regulations, reduce illegal immigration and lessen the burden they inflict upon the nation, etc... In other words, Trump started policies to improve the economy as soon as he took office. So Trump did have a positive effect on our economy during his first year in office.

Meanwhile, as soon as Biden got into office, he started signing E.O.s that destroyed jobs, reduce production of fossil fuels, increased the burden of illegal immigration, etc... Biden signed EOs specifically to harm the US economy; and the proof of his ruin on the economy is everywhere to be seen.

Biden immediately set out to destroy our economy, Trump did the exact opposite.



About time someone said it. The only comment on here that makes sense. The rest of just laughable.
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Old 05-20-2022, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Show me on the doll where I hurt you?

If I wanted to blame your orange God I would have simply replied that we are still under a "Trump" economy. But I didn't. How's that egg feel?

Except you've done it on many other posts. And the "orange God" part is just further proof of that. You're also one of the biggest flip floppers on here, so there's that.
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Old 05-20-2022, 01:45 PM
 
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We are still dealing with ****ty Reagan policies of huge tax cuts for the wealthy and deregulation and pushing free trade.

No president since then has done anything significant to deviate from this.

No raising taxes on the wealthy.

No undoing lousy trade policies.

Regulatory agencies have been gutted and captured by private industry. For the latest example in this see Abbott and the FDA.

This is all just Reaganism with the edges tweaked depending on the president and congress.
Nonsense. Reagan’s policies pulled the country out of Carter’s recession and high inflation. Most of the wealthy already pay their fair share, in fact more than their fair share. Over half the country pays NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX, so stop with the fair share nonsense.

Clinton started the slide with a bad for Americans NAFTA. Greedy companies continued with by selling their corporate souls to China and cheap labor. The left wing of the democrat party has vowed to the extreme environmentalists. Trump listens to Fauci and shut the country down. Brandon and democrats continued that far too long and put far too much stimulus in the economy. Brandon has been one of the most anti energy presidents the country has seen. I blame the republicans some for this too. Their are laws they could change now around the distribution industry that would help ease inflation. The ultra wealthy in that industry have too many pockets lined at the federal level to see any change.

If figure the breakdown of blame is as follows give or take: 60% democrats, 25% republicans, 15% big businesses and special interests
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Old 05-20-2022, 02:07 PM
 
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Nonsense. Reagan’s policies pulled the country out of Carter’s recession and high inflation. Most of the wealthy already pay their fair share, in fact more than their fair share. Over half the country pays NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX, so stop with the fair share nonsense.

Clinton started the slide with a bad for Americans NAFTA. Greedy companies continued with by selling their corporate souls to China and cheap labor. The left wing of the democrat party has vowed to the extreme environmentalists. Trump listens to Fauci and shut the country down. Brandon and democrats continued that far too long and put far too much stimulus in the economy. Brandon has been one of the most anti energy presidents the country has seen. I blame the republicans some for this too. Their are laws they could change now around the distribution industry that would help ease inflation. The ultra wealthy in that industry have too many pockets lined at the federal level to see any change.

If figure the breakdown of blame is as follows give or take: 60% democrats, 25% republicans, 15% big businesses and special interests
The wealthy are hugely disproportionate beneficiaries of American policies.

Since most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck thanks to the wealthy. They are paying through non monetary means.

Clinton wanted to be Reagan lite. He wanted to be pro business pro trade just like Reagan and Bush. Our current messes our rooted in their policies.

I find it endlessly amusing that given the last 40 years conservatives have had more unfettered control of government, more state governments, more years of the presidency you somehow can do the mental gymnastics to blame it mostly on the Dems.
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Old 05-20-2022, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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It's President Biden's. He doesn't control everything, just as Trump didn't, but he's the President. He signed up to be responsible and after about the first year, the tenor and leadership have impacts across the spectrum.

However, regardless of party, every President of modern times seems to follow one of these 3 mantras:

a) Economy is roaring. "This is no time to focus on the deficit, it might hurt the economy!"

b) Economy is middling. "This is no time to focus on the deficit, things could be better!"

b) Economy is struggling. "This is no time to focus on the deficit, [people who need help (D)/corporations that provide paychecks (R)] are hurting!"
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Old 05-20-2022, 02:47 PM
 
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The wealthy are hugely disproportionate beneficiaries of American policies.

Since most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck thanks to the wealthy. They are paying through non monetary means.

Clinton wanted to be Reagan lite. He wanted to be pro business pro trade just like Reagan and Bush. Our current messes our rooted in their policies.

I find it endlessly amusing that given the last 40 years conservatives have had more unfettered control of government, more state governments, more years of the presidency you somehow can do the mental gymnastics to blame it mostly on the Dems.
Show me a poor guy that hired anybody! Show me anybody who started the business and hired people that love paying taxes and fees to any state or the Feds!

The only ***** you have is you did not have the nades to start your own company, grow it and make some money. You properly worked all your life to someone that did and did you tell him/her she was cheating you?
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