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I honestly thought this was a joke when reading it. Is the U.S. really going to make their schools, malls, grocery stores, etc. like prisons so they can all own hobby guns? Is all the work worth it? Seems extreme.
How can your citizens live like that? It would seem to cause a lot of stress. This is hard to take seriously.
The one thing all the mass shootings have in common is not unlocked doors, but gun availability. Why not just regulate your guns? This will work across the board because this only is of great concern in the U.S. and the reason is lack of gun control. It's so simple. Watching you talk of such extreme living conditions just to avoid this regulation is bewildering.
It's not as simple as you think, given the nature of the US government structure at the country, state, and local levels, and the various components of the Constitution. Furthermore, there is a significant portion of the population that simply will not comply with gun control laws, and will resist any attempt to take their firearms with deadly force.
And let them out through the revolving door of justice to commit violent crime again. Capital punishment, life without parole would be great punishment.
The more guns than people argument holds zero water. I have at least 30 guns. They’ve never shot anyone. Keep defending and enabling violent criminals and the results will be the same. Put them away for life so they can’t do it again.
Amen. Supporting 3 Strikes & You're Out as a US Senator was the one thing Biden did correctly.
Yes physical education, recess, lunch and sometimes classes and then there are different times for release at end of day. How do you protect students exiting schools and sporting events. Adolescents don't always obey the rules, same is true for adults.
Also schools are not the only problem, concerts, supermarkets, trains, no way this is a solution.
A rare time we agree. We cannot turn society into an open-air prison because a few psychos are on the loose.
Amen. Supporting 3 Strikes & You're Out as a US Senator was the one thing Biden did correctly.
There were some real travesties with 3 strikes with people getting life for stealing a video tape. I never want to see sentencing out of the hands of judges even though they have made mistakes.
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It worked while we kept people incarcerated. That much we do know.
Depends on what you mean by worked, it wasn't really a deterrent for murders and it ended up putting low end drug offenders away for decades. Reform was pretty much bipartisan even Barr was in favor but in many cases they went too far. We are one of the most incarcerated country in the world, it wasn't working.
But getting back to the thread security is not practical at a school, maybe a military base or prison but not a school. Besides we tried this already.
You cant prevent doors to open from the inside, so you would need a guar at every door, you have to be able to scale this solution to our schools, which the majority don't resemble a rural elementary school, most schools are overcrowded and understaffed, schools have been trying to tackle truancy since the 80's with the same techniques with little success. I dont know, you have to think about the next gen, we are looking at a future in the next 3-5 years, where you are going to be able to but a weaponazi-able drone for $800, fly it into a school yard, we either figure that out or schools are going to have to resemble jails at a time when we can't afford new desks.
If you harden the schools, the shooters will change their tactics. Wait until a recess, pickup or dropoff, position from a house nearby like the Vegas shooter did in a hotel etc. All the schools I went to had houses within 100 yards of the playgrounds. The same goes for my kids school.
This is all just trying to make excuses to not address the guns or the gun addicts.
What if the shooter goes to the school? What are the armed guards and locked doors supposed to do? I guess we need metal detectors too then. Let's just implement airport/government building security at every school entrance.
What if the shooter goes to the school? What are the armed guards and locked doors supposed to do? I guess we need metal detectors too then. Let's just implement airport/government building security at every school entrance.
Why not? Are our government employees more valuable and deserving of security than our children are? Why is it acceptable to guard politicians and celebrities with firearms yet people cringe when it is suggested that we guard our children the same way? What would make children feel more secure, knowing that there are armed adults capable of meeting any threat or knowing that if someone wishes to harm them there is nothing to stop it from happening? As adults, it is our responsibility to guarantee our children’s safety to the best of our ability.
In Texas, a teacher left a door open to get a cell phone. Make that impossible. Have doors open and close, time controlled, like a bank vault. Exception would be fire exits, of course.
Have 4 armed LEOs/school by 2 doors with a security code to allow for entering or exiting of staff other than the remote controlled times. All entrance doors should have bulletproof glass, btw.
In 1996, one night late for a flight I literally ran through a major airport, w/o a security check. Checks back then were untrained staff opening a suitcase-Mickey Mouse. It would have been easy then to get to a tarmac unchecked. UGH! We wised up after 9-11, and airports are ultra secure now.
We can do the same with schools if we have the will.
Death penalty would help--for journalists who encourage copycats by covering the story more than a week after it happened (just kidding--but journalists bear a lot of responsibility for the frequency).
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