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Old 05-29-2022, 08:44 PM
 
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"They" is the citizens of Arizona, in your case/link.

Oh, I remember the wails and moans 5 or so years ago, how my state paid so little and Houston SD had taken out ads offering bonuses, higher pay, etc. At the end of the year, the teacher attrition rate was the same as it's almost always been.

And if we actually enter a recession, where actual privately-employed people get actually laid-off, you'll see teachers and other government employees gladly accepting the same paycheck they made before, secure with their job, income and benefits.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Old 05-29-2022, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Invisible barrier? In other words a "force field". Pie in the sky science fiction that's not going to happen anytime within the foreseeable future. And, what happens to a person who lives within 100 yards of a school, say a police officer, and has a firearm that he needs to take from point a to point b?
Along with building such a system, new laws would also have to be incorporated to handle situations as the one you described.
With laws prohibiting any weapon within 100 yards, that would mean this police person you mentioned, would have to find an alternate location to store the firearm.
That could be accomplished outside, and beyond the 100 yard perimeter.
One of the problems with this system would be how to handle a situation when armed law enforcement shows up to make an arrest, when someone with a weapon is detected near school grounds.

I believe this invisible barrier would go a long way in stopping the carnage we have been witnessing over the past ten years in our nation's schools.
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Old 05-29-2022, 09:14 PM
 
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What exactly does addressing the guns or gun addicts mean? Because the votes are not there to repeal the 2nd amendment. And we have 100 million gun owners. The votes are not there in the Senate to change gun laws from where they are today. So all that is off the table.

However you can take steps to make schools as safe as possible. That is a smart bipartisan approach. Unless this is really not safety for children and really about gun grabbing.
Look at past shootings. Dayton, Vegas, how about the DC sniper etc.

All of your defensive strategies and everything offered by the pro gun lobby is simply to mitigate a body count. There is no measure that they have offered where past shootings have not shown that truly malicious individuals cannot find a tactical workaround.

Parkland had good guys on site. So did Uvalde.

Dayton killed 9 in 30 seconds.

Vegas killed from hundreds of feet away.

Uvalde used legally obtained guns.

Sandy Hook stole his by killing his mother.

Columbine stole theirs.

Here’s the one consistent fact through all this unnecessary loss of life. It was pretty darn easy to get the tool that takes life quickly and easily and it was cheap.

No other country deals with this problem like we do.

No other country has more guns than citizens.

It doesn’t take that much rational thought to realize what the problem is.
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Old 05-29-2022, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Look at past shootings. Dayton, Vegas, how about the DC sniper etc.

All of your defensive strategies and everything offered by the pro gun lobby is simply to mitigate a body count. There is no measure that they have offered where past shootings have not shown that truly malicious individuals cannot find a tactical workaround.

Parkland had good guys on site. So did Uvalde.

Dayton killed 9 in 30 seconds.

Vegas killed from hundreds of feet away.

Uvalde used legally obtained guns.

Sandy Hook stole his by killing his mother.

Columbine stole theirs.

Here’s the one consistent fact through all this unnecessary loss of life. It was pretty darn easy to get the tool that takes life quickly and easily and it was cheap.

No other country deals with this problem like we do.

No other country has more guns than citizens.

It doesn’t take that much rational thought to realize what the problem is.
It doesn’t take much thought at all. Wayyyy too many violent criminals and repeat violent criminals on and getting thrown back on the street. The violent crime and mass shootings have skyrocketed since the summer of 2020, cries to defund the police, defending and enabling criminals, etc… Lock them up so they never see the light of day again.

I have many guns. They always behave, never go out on their own, and have never shot anyone. They’re not the problem, criminals are. Just think, no criminals, no need for police.
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Old 05-29-2022, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Originally Posted by odinloki1 View Post
Look at past shootings. Dayton, Vegas, how about the DC sniper etc.

All of your defensive strategies and everything offered by the pro gun lobby is simply to mitigate a body count. There is no measure that they have offered where past shootings have not shown that truly malicious individuals cannot find a tactical workaround.

Parkland had good guys on site. So did Uvalde.

Dayton killed 9 in 30 seconds.

Vegas killed from hundreds of feet away.

Uvalde used legally obtained guns.

Sandy Hook stole his by killing his mother.

Columbine stole theirs.

Here’s the one consistent fact through all this unnecessary loss of life. It was pretty darn easy to get the tool that takes life quickly and easily and it was cheap.

No other country deals with this problem like we do.

No other country has more guns than citizens.

It doesn’t take that much rational thought to realize what the problem is.
No other country has the 2nd Amendment, but it is the basis of American law. If you want guns gone, or any massive restriction on firearms, you need to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. Without doing so, any new gun law is going to face Constitutional challenges and most likely get tossed. The rules to do so are clearly delineated in the Constitution.

That being said, since the 2nd Amendment (thankfully) stands in the way of any massive gun grab, mitigation of the dangers associated with an armed society is the way to approach the issue. That should involve making sure that our children aren’t forced to be easy prey for psychopaths, but for some reason the Democrats are apparently fine with the body count. They definitely aren’t offering any viable means of making schools safer, and they just blocked the Republican effort to standardize school safety.
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Old 05-29-2022, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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I agree with everything except armed security stationed at every door of every school. That seems unnecessary if its impossible for someone just to walk onto school grounds without permission. Or we do nothing about school security but make it more difficult for law abiding Americans to purchase firearms and hope somehow that prevents school shootings. And when that fails pile on more gun control.
We have security systems with alarms when a door is opened. Oh yes, we also have security cameras. No need for so many people being bored all day standing by a door. Any school should be able to afford a Simply Safe system at minimum.
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Old 05-29-2022, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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No let's just add more armed security to a school that already had armed security, are you sure 4 per school will be enough. Did you forget they had armed security at Parkland also, did that work?

Maybe you haven't been around a school over the course of a day but students are constantly entering and leaving the building. The only thing that would be surprising would be that there wasn't a door open, schools are not prisons or fortresses, they are schools. That school district just had active shooter training in March but their response was a complete failure.

I wasn't claiming that improved test scores would solve this problem, I just hate to see more money wasted on failed policy rather than focused on education. Texas spent $100Million after the Sante Fe school shooting to increase security, did it work.

The solution is always anything but gun restrictions.
"Maybe you haven't been around a school over the course of a day but students are constantly entering and leaving the building. "

I have seen this mentioned by several people. Why are students leaving the school building throughout the day? Are you talking about recess or physical ed class? Why else would they leave?
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Old 05-29-2022, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Something like 45% of the US Military are non-active duty reserves, totaling over 1 million persons. I'd wager we could find around 200,000 from this pool of people alone who would be capable and willing to guard public schools if provided additional training and offered such a job. The aforementioned number would be roughly enough for 2 guards per public school throughout the US. Salary + benefits for these 200k staff would impute a total cost between $12 and $18 billion per-year most likely. Hardening the nation's 100k public schools would likely require an investment of $200 Billion, if I had to make a guess in the dark.


The above is just a hypothetical, of course.
Certainly hypothetical. I suspect most non-active duty reservists have day jobs.
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Old 05-29-2022, 10:49 PM
 
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No other country has the 2nd Amendment, but it is the basis of American law. If you want guns gone, or any massive restriction on firearms, you need to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. Without doing so, any new gun law is going to face Constitutional challenges and most likely get tossed. The rules to do so are clearly delineated in the Constitution.

That being said, since the 2nd Amendment (thankfully) stands in the way of any massive gun grab, mitigation of the dangers associated with an armed society is the way to approach the issue. That should involve making sure that our children aren’t forced to be easy prey for psychopaths, but for some reason the Democrats are apparently fine with the body count. They definitely aren’t offering any viable means of making schools safer, and they just blocked the Republican effort to standardize school safety.


Dems want a diversion issue like this, as the economy is going to lead to them getting crushed at the polls in a little over 5 months.
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Old 05-29-2022, 11:28 PM
 
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"Maybe you haven't been around a school over the course of a day but students are constantly entering and leaving the building. "

I have seen this mentioned by several people. Why are students leaving the school building throughout the day? Are you talking about recess or physical ed class? Why else would they leave?
My kid's HS had multiple buildings on the campus. There was a fence surrounding all of it, but the students moved between buildings, and were outside when that happened. There was also an outdoor learning area.
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