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The thread title, and the disingenuous presentation of what the bill actually is. Fully knowing that, but misrepresenting it anyway.
When you can't be completely upfront and honest about something - you have something to hide, or be ashamed of, or don't feel completely confident of your argument, and have already discredited yourself against any meaningful debate.
So apparently the NC Legislature is looking to pass a similar bill to the “Don’t Say Gay” law in Florida. One of the parts of that legislation includes language that requires schools to inform parents if the student is seeing an in school counselor. I kind of see this both ways….patents should normally have a right to know about matters pertaining to their own children, but I could imagine situations where kids feel uncomfortable (maybe even unsafe) sharing certain information with their parents. I would be concerned that this might dissuade some kids from asking for help at all because they might be afraid (legitimately or not) of consequences at home. I have to imagine most school counselors would encourage their kids to talk to their parents…I don’t think they see themselves as parental replacements, but as resources for the entire family. I’d like to think that this matter shouldn’t be dictated in legislation, but leave the issue of how and when to bring parents into the conversation with the counselors.
One instance in which notifying parents would be if there was parental abuse of the child. But teachers and councelors are trained to be on the lookout of such issues, so that may not be a widespread issue at all.
In general, parents should know their child is having issues to the point of seeing a school councelor.
This bill, NC HB755, is properly titled “Parents’ Bill of Rights.” No where in the bill does it say the word GAY or TRANSGENDERED. As a matter of fact it says that while LGBTQ matters are to not be in K-3 curriculum, it does allow for the mention of LGBTQ people in casual conversation.
Neither the NC nor FL bill ever say, nor has it ever said, "don't say gay." To say otherwise is a gross misrepresentation of a fact intended to get people riled up.
Here's a link to NC HB 755
IMHO both of these bills put parental rights in black and white so as to have no misunderstanding about the ultimate authority of what children are taught about social issues remaining in the hands of parents, where it should be.
What are the provisions? Does the law not apply if a kid says he thinks he will be beat if he tells his parents he's questioning his gender identity or sexuality? That her father will kick her out of the house if he finds out about her girlfriend? Would there be some kind of criteria that needs to be met, or will they take the kid at their word?
Worse - that they feel like outcasts with out support and take their own lives. That does happen.
My parents were abusive. Because my mom worked in the school system, I was never able to speak to my school counselors because I was afraid that my mom would find out, and that would make the abuse worse. She told me as much - "family problems stay in the family, and if you speak to anyone you won't want to know what happens."
There are no words for what I think of adults who actively put children in danger by preventing them from seeking help the way that this bill does.
oh, how does it prevent someone from seeking help?
Basically, just like Republican states are going to copy/paste and pass:
Voting Laws
Anti-"CRT" laws
they are going to be passing similar bills to Florida's Parental Rights in Education Law. Hopefully, they change "don't discuss gender" in K-3 to "don't discuss non-conforming genders" (or something legally palatable).
The thread title, and the disingenuous presentation of what the bill actually is. Fully knowing that, but misrepresenting it anyway.
When you can't be completely upfront and honest about something - you have something to hide, or be ashamed of, or don't feel completely confident of your argument, and have already discredited yourself against any meaningful debate.
still rising as it exits the park.
and there's plenty on the right that do the exact same thing
The thread title, and the disingenuous presentation of what the bill actually is. Fully knowing that, but misrepresenting it anyway.
When you can't be completely upfront and honest about something - you have something to hide, or be ashamed of, or don't feel completely confident of your argument, and have already discredited yourself against any meaningful debate.
Yeah…that’s exactly what I was going for. Nice bit of detective work there on your part.
This bill, NC HB755, is properly titled “Parents’ Bill of Rights.” No where in the bill does it say the word GAY or TRANSGENDERED. As a matter of fact it says that while LGBTQ matters are to not be in K-3 curriculum, it does allow for the mention of LGBTQ people in casual conversation.
Neither the NC nor FL bill ever say, nor has it ever said, "don't say gay." To say otherwise is a gross misrepresentation of a fact intended to get people riled up.
Here's a link to NC HB 755
IMHO both of these bills put parental rights in black and white so as to have no misunderstanding about the ultimate authority of what children are taught about social issues remaining in the hands of parents, where it should be.
See post 15. You are mistaken re the “riled up” remark. I would suggest your characterization is an attempt to do the same just on the other side.
Uh no- I grew up in a very abusive household. Counselors and teachers in my school were aware of it. I don't know who or how- I suspect my friends parents let them know. The counselors came to me and they helped me a lot. If my parents knew I'd have had a rough go..
and I, even as an NC resident, haven't read the bill. But I assume it includes the same protections as the FL law. Which would not affect the types of kids you describe, just as your parents were apparently - rightly or wrongly - never confronted about their abuse of you.
If NC is actually following the template of the Florida law, there is a provision for children in that situation - which is something that the mainstream media did their best to not address when slamming DeSantis for the Florida law and assigning a name to it which has nothing to do with its function. However, in general, my point stands. We should not have adults encouraging children to lie to their parents.
killing it today
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