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Please try to stay on topic here. We are NOT talking about book readings(there are a few other threads for that). We are talking about taking kids to Drag Shows.
My emphasis in the quotes from DeSantis. Kids are "excited" about a lot of things. But it doesn't mean it is appropriate for their age. Would it be appropriate for a kid to go to an "all ages" show at a Strip club where they can "tip" the performers with dollar bills? Walk a kid through an aisle of a Las Vegas Casino and I bet they would be very excited about all of the stuff going on. Does it mean that it's appropriate for them to hang out playing slots for a few hours?
What he can do -is - have an age limit on establishments that cater to more adult stuff. There’s no law bans a kid from going to one. I’m not sure but strip clubs supposed to have one, maybe. And liquor is served every where. And maybe hooters should hold back the line at kids 17 at least.
Ripping a parent from a kid n sending them to jail because their friend Joe performs at a drag show and they going to have one for kids is insane !
I have seen videos on youtube of some of these drag shows, where children were encouraged to twerk and adults threw dollars bills at them. Pretty disgusting and should be illegal.
Pedophilia and corrupting minors is already illegal.
Desantis is just trying to enforce the laws already in place, and he should.
Here's a simple solution: These parents need to stop acting like degenerate pedophiles.
Is that so hard to do?
To YOU they are degenerate pedophiles, and to the drag queen friendly population, they are being told " an authentic truth."
And not for nothing, but they aren't YOUR kids.
This is how voluntary association and the free exercise thereof works. If YOU don't like YOUR kids viewing softcore drag queen porn, then YOU keep YOUR kids away from it. But YOU do not get to tell THEM how THEY handle THEIR kids.
What icky, weird, misunderstood thing is next up? Kids can't view or participate in cosplay? Anime illegal? Black metal? Horror-core rap?
I think taking a kid to watch/participate in softcore drag queen porn is repugnant, but my moral/ethical/religious framework is mine, not anyone else's. Not up to me to decide who sees what or at what arbitrary age makes me feel good.
Voluntary association. You are for it, or your against it. There is no middle ground.
[QUOTE=Livinginwaterland;63601486. They are very sexual in nature
Show proof of that and I'll agree with you and agree with De Santis then. What I have heard that USUALLY it is more about fashion, dancing and some comedy more than anything. I'm sure you can find some examples of what you say, but then again take your kids to a beach and you may see barely dressed people kissing, petting and making out and such. There are public decency laws for that but the limits are often pushed.
I have seen videos on youtube of some of these drag shows, where children were encouraged to twerk and adults threw dollars bills at them. Pretty disgusting and should be illegal.
What he can do -is - have an age limit on establishments that cater to more adult stuff. There’s no law bans a kid from going to one. I’m not sure but strip clubs supposed to have one, maybe. And liquor is served every where. And maybe hooters should hold back the line at kids 17 at least.
Ripping a parent from a kid n sending them to jail because their friend Joe performs at a drag show and they going to have one for kids is insane !
Based on that statement, your only issue appears to be that he making that statement when there is no law that prevents it. So if a law gets put in place you would have no issue with parents being investigated by CPS.
Did you feel the say way when he put in restrictions about not talking about sexual topics with kids in K-3?
Show proof of that and I'll agree with you and agree with De Santis then. What I have heard that USUALLY it is more about fashion, dancing and some comedy more than anything. I'm sure you can find some examples of what you say, but then again take your kids to a beach and you may see barely dressed people kissing, petting and making out and such. There are public decency laws for that but the limits are often pushed.
Exactly.
Americans are literally bombarded, all day, every day with sexual and/or violent imagery. CONSTANTLY.
But oh noez!! we have to watch out for drag queens, specifically? Turn on MTV any minute of any day FFS...it is sexsexsex constantly. Go to any resort location popular wit the Instagram crowd. For pete's sake, launch the TikTok app and randomly scroll anything for any length of time.
And seriously, dudes dressing up like Carmen Miranda is THE scariest thing ever? Really? That's where we draw the line? That's where society says hell no, not this far? La Cage aux Folles must be banned!! But let's leave Jersey Shore and Siesta Key on MTV because Lord knows, that's 100% wholesome family entertainment for sure. Wretched sexual deviancy among friends at the beach is worth multiple TV shows on the topic, and totally safe for kids, but jeezus h tap dancing keeee-rist...not dudes in high heels and Carmen Miranda costumes!!! Noooooooooo!!!!!!
One thing I need to clarify in my previous comments because I think some misinterpreted my opinion, I was talking about taking kids to a show, NOT participating in one. The same way there is a difference between taking family to see a fashion show and participating.
If parents put their kids on stage and parade them around and have them do suggestive things, then I totally think that is wrong.
But if parents take family to WATCH a drag show where people are modeling, dancing and so on and NOT performing any crude acts, I don't see anything wrong with that or at least I don't think parents should be punished for that.
I have seen videos on youtube of some of these drag shows, where children were encouraged to twerk and adults threw dollars bills at them. Pretty disgusting and should be illegal.
I will agree that the participation of what happened in Calif or Texas on that video was wrong. What I’m saying is stop at the gate - no minors allowed. We have laws that if liquor is served can’t get in under 21 at a strip bar. So hooters ? It serves food, the Moose or American Legion serves food and kids always welcomed, full bars and slots machines etc. Lots of gambling going on. So nobody is naked at a drag show. Kids stopped from dancing at regular clubs. Must be 21 yrs old so What is the deal?
To everyone cheering for DeSantis here...understand that you are championing taking away freedom in the name of "for the children."
This is different only in degree, not in kind, from those who seek to remove your freedom to keep and bear arms in the name of "for the children."
Taking away or limiting freedom is the same no matter what freedom or what justification. Freedom of association, speech, religion, press, keeping/bearing arms, whatever. End of the day, you are asking Leviathan to remove/limit your neighbor's freedoms because something about those freedoms that cause you exactly no harm whatsoever just bugs the hell out of you.
Not one person in this thread is directly harmed by people taking "under age" (in quotes because that concept is so arbitrary and colloquial) individuals to drag shows. Same as not one person in any of the countless anti-gun threads is directly harmed by any responsible gun owner NOT DOING ANYTHING HARMFUL to anyone solely by owning a firearm. Yet lots of folks want to remove/limit rights regardless, because of what someone else MIGHT do, or what result MIGHT happen, or what their fever dreams imagine MIGHT occur.
Individual tyrants seeking to outsource their tyranny to those holding that monopoly on force and violence. Your pitiful justifications and rationalizations only work in your own minds. To the people whose rights you seek to take away, you're just another garden variety tyrant interfering with their lives.
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