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Old 06-16-2022, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Thanks for the rest of the story.
The complaint was filed by an ex-employee who got fired. I have not read anything from Abbott other than their denial that any baby deaths were attributable to that plant.

There is a lot more to the story than we are being told, and Abbott is staying mum so the feds don't crush them by their abuse of power.

Months or years from now, the Abbott side of the story will get told, & it will make today's version look like a fairy tale.
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Old 06-16-2022, 08:40 AM
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Why would a company close down a profitable plant, and not just make the needed upgrades?

This sounds like a pay-to-play scam gone wrong to me. It likely blew up in the Feds faces.
Because they couldn't identify where/if the bacteria was there.

Similar to what happened to Blue Bell Ice Cream when they had such struggles to locate and eradicate the listeria in the equipment.
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Old 06-16-2022, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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Why would a company close down a profitable plant, and not just make the needed upgrades?

This sounds like a pay-to-play scam gone wrong to me. It likely blew up in the Feds faces.
Good question but it seems that they weren't in too big a rush to correct the issues. Are you saying that health and safety inspections of food production facilities should be curtailed? what pay to play?
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Old 06-16-2022, 09:07 AM
 
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Of course, why wouldn’t they have check valves in their sewer system to stop back ups? Makes way too much sense to Democrats in Michigan.
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Old 06-16-2022, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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Of course, why wouldn’t they have check valves in their sewer system to stop back ups? Makes way too much sense to Democrats in Michigan.
So according to you Republican Sewer Systems have check valves in them?
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:31 AM
 
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If anyone bothers to read the full story linked in the OP they will find some rather interesting info. Abbott's other locations were and are actually producing more food than in 2021 and they have stockpiles sufficient to meet the 2021 demand. Now unless there was a baby boom this year, that is a pretty strong indication of hoarding on the news of shortages. I don't blame parents; I would do the same thing in their shoes. But it is really hard to get stocks back to normal when inventory is going to consumer pantries in excess of immediate need.

The story also quote from the congressional testimony (that I did not watch) from FDA about this plant. The roof needed to be replaced along with several other structural issues. When they inspected it they found workers slogging around in mud and dirt on the floors and sampling found bacteria everywhere. The place was a disaster. Thank goodness the FDA shut them down and made them clean it up,

It's hard to get back to "normal" when you have supply chain issues making it difficult to get the product to the shelves. It doesn't help the "supply chain" when you have images of pallets of formula being shipped to warehouses at the border to be given to people who are trying to enter this country illegally.

The article made no such claim of "stockpiles". They said that the monthly production exceeded what they produced pre-shutdown of the plant. The article had mentioned "Supply Chain" issues, but nowhere did it mention parents hoarding. That is your opinion.

Not that there wasn't "hoarding", but with the limits most stores have been putting on Formula since the beginning of the year it is likely not a huge issue. But if production was up, then by that logic there could be some "hoarding" beyond an "immediate" need and it would not cause an issue. As that would mean that there was a surplus being produced. This brings it back to the "supply chain".

But this brings up an interesting question. If the production was up, why didn't we get the Administration to get that message out? Instead, we got a different message with the President evoking the Defense Act to airlift formula from Europe?

Since when has plenty of supply = let's tell everyone there is a crisis and instead get the formula from Europe?
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Old 06-16-2022, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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If you haven't seen the news the Abbott Baby Food Plant in Michigan is closed again due to flooding at the facility and after only coming back online 2 weeks ago. https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/15/healt...lay/index.html
They seriously need another plant or 5! One storm -fire etc and babies all over suffer. We can do better than that. It’s ridiculous. Selfish rich bstrds. And yes if you research it’s about money and investors not wanting to spend on upgrades etc.
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Old 06-16-2022, 01:16 PM
 
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I've read that the FDA never proved that the Abbott plant was responsible for any baby deaths. Is that still the case?

The strain of bacteria found in the babies didn't match anything found in Abbott's baby formula plant.

If so, why did the FDA close it down? Did Abbott refuse to pay kickbacks or something like that? Pay to play, but Abbott took their ball & left instead?

The federal gov't is a train wreck, & most of the things that go wrong in America can be traced back to DC.
Abbott voluntarily closed the plant.
And there was no link to the bacteria in the babies but they found other bacteria and FDA wanted that cleaned up before they opened up.

The company said the cronobacter sakazakii was found in environmental testing during the investigation, but was in "non-product contact areas of the facility and has not been linked to any known infant illness."

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-...actory-1710326
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Old 06-16-2022, 01:17 PM
 
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What a disaster! This is why the Chinese are in charge of making everything!
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Old 06-16-2022, 01:19 PM
 
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It's hard to get back to "normal" when you have supply chain issues making it difficult to get the product to the shelves. It doesn't help the "supply chain" when you have images of pallets of formula being shipped to warehouses at the border to be given to people who are trying to enter this country illegally.

The article made no such claim of "stockpiles". They said that the monthly production exceeded what they produced pre-shutdown of the plant. The article had mentioned "Supply Chain" issues, but nowhere did it mention parents hoarding. That is your opinion.

Not that there wasn't "hoarding", but with the limits most stores have been putting on Formula since the beginning of the year it is likely not a huge issue. But if production was up, then by that logic there could be some "hoarding" beyond an "immediate" need and it would not cause an issue. As that would mean that there was a surplus being produced. This brings it back to the "supply chain".

But this brings up an interesting question. If the production was up, why didn't we get the Administration to get that message out? Instead, we got a different message with the President evoking the Defense Act to airlift formula from Europe?

Since when has plenty of supply = let's tell everyone there is a crisis and instead get the formula from Europe?
Not all stores put limits at the beginning of the year. I bought formula first week of April and there was no limits.

It was announced that production for some formula was started in May and it would take until August to get back to normal -- hence the airlifting of supplies.
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