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Old 06-16-2022, 10:11 AM
 
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I don't think the people commenting here understand what the government is doing, the business model of ammo, and what Lake City, MO actually is. My former employer was a parent holding company that owned an entity that was responsible for the Lake City ammo plant ops:


https://www.guns.com/news/2018/01/26...rmy-ammo-plant


Lake city plant is owned by the federal government (DOD) and they bid out long-term operating contracts to private entities to run them on behalf of the feds. What that means is that all domestic ammo companies will bid to the Fed Government to operating this facility and to manage the people and the capital. There are minimum requirements of ammo quantity and quality by caliber that must be produced to various government agencies every year (not just military). Anything above and beyond these minimums the companies can sell on the open market.


What this means is that the ammo companies will submit bids where they will produce ammo at a loss or 0% margin to the feds but make up the margin on the back end by producing more for consumer markets. Which basically means their price on the market will be high and the companies make margin on whatever the variable cost is to run the line for the excess materials. This can actually become a very profitable arrangement for the ammo company if they win the contract.


What Biden is doing is violating the terms of the agreement and F'ing 'Federal Premium Ammo':
https://www.federalpremium.com/


Federal signed up to operate this contract has met all terms of the agreement to provide quality ammo and a bargain price for the Feds (DOD, FBI, CIA, NSA, + other law enforcement agencies). Now Brandon wants to steal any of the profit in the agreement back from Federal.


It's not socialism because the Feds own the plant but it certainly is a contract litigation and lawsuit action where the federal government owes damages back to the ammo company. Biden will likely have to pay them to not manufacture as legal damages for what is clearly laid out in the T's&C's of the contract.
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:11 AM
 
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Well, good. That's an easy way to control gun violence. Make it harder to get a truckload of ammo.
That ammo is used in a teeeeeeny tinnnnny number of gun attacks. But you keep talking about how this addresses the problem.

This would be like a beach with no lifeguards that has 100 drownings a year and one shark attack...so rather than oh, add lifeguards and warn of rip-currents they're out there with some sort of shark repelling buoys that maybe work a little bit.

Problem solved!
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Well, good. That's an easy way to control gun violence. Make it harder to get a truckload of ammo.
A shooter intent on mass killing is not concerned with the cost of ammo. He would have no reason to save money. It won't affect gun violence in any way.

However, it will cost responsible gun owners more for ammo. But there are millions like myself who make bulk purchases every time the left proposes an attempt to infringe on our 2A rights. It's like a BS bingo, except with ammo. It doesn't take long to build up quite an inventory.

As with most leftist policies, this will be counterproductive.
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Well, good. That's an easy way to control gun violence. Make it harder to get a truckload of ammo.
Is it? When Obama was in office, he was the country's greatest salesman.

Haven't we seen this before with other items such as toilet paper? It hits the news that there will be a shortage and suddenly there is? Only in this case, it might be much worse because......

Kananga: Well, merely until the number of addicts in this country has *doubled*, shall we say. Then I will proceed to market that acreage which you blundered into the other day. That heroin will be very expensive, indeed... leaving the phone company and myself the only two growing monopolies in this nation for *years* to come. (from Live and Let Die)

Now, we aren't talking heroin and that kind of addiction but when people really want something and it is out there, ................................................. what will they do to get it, especially when they are breaking the law already.

As it was, I was thinking of getting some more anyhow. Tend to go Serbian.
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:35 AM
 
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A shooter intent on mass killing is not concerned with the cost of ammo. He would have no reason to save money. It won't affect gun violence in any way.

However, it will cost responsible gun owners more for ammo. But there are millions like myself who make bulk purchases every time the left proposes an attempt to infringe on our 2A rights. It's like a BS bingo, except with ammo. It doesn't take long to build up quite an inventory.

As with most leftist policies, this will be counterproductive.
Absolutely...just more political theatre.
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:36 AM
 
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That's what Obama did...couldn't control the guns so he cut off the ammo.

Told ya...Biden is Obama 2.0 on steroids.
Are you talking about the run on ammo that was then greatly exacerbated by people (fellow shooters) profiteering by buying up new ammo?

Even the NRA said there was no conspiracy there.

Heck, already been people in this thread talk about buying 5k rounds.
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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..........Heck, already been people in this thread talk about buying 5k rounds.

Well, maybe that is their standard amount. Mine is a case, max, at a time..........and there are those who see more than a box at a time as excessive.
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:41 AM
 
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Well, good. That's an easy way to control gun violence. Make it harder to get a truckload of ammo.
...it will not make one little bitty bit of difference...sit back and watch...and learn something
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:42 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Are you talking about the run on ammo that was then greatly exacerbated by people (fellow shooters) profiteering by buying up new ammo?

Even the NRA said there was no conspiracy there.

Heck, already been people in this thread talk about buying 5k rounds.
5k rounds really isn't a lot for people that target shoot or shoot for sport.
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:43 AM
 
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Ok.

Sounds like reasonable precautions for the public safety to me. Not terribly different than making it illegal to sell a crib that isn't up to today's safety standards.
Political theater that is utterly meaningless.

All this does is kill some jobs at that plant and provide the competition with free market share. Vista Outdoor (Federal Premium, CCI and Remington), Winchester and Hornady alone are probably throwing parties right now over Brandon's tomfoolery.

Also, as 1AngryTaxPayer points out, a barrel swap to a caliber the government isn't politically interested in takes $75 and maybe 30 minutes of competent gunsmithing.

But if you think this makes you safe and go Brandon, well good for you feeling good about it.
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