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Old 06-24-2022, 07:04 PM
 
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What he has said has changed as the situation with the virus evolved. The initial expectation was that SARS-CoV-2 would behave like the original SARS. Unfortunately, that did not happen.
And he recently changed his story on masks. He now says they only make people feel safer.
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Old 06-24-2022, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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neither does the vaccine...you can't claim one doesn't work...and claim the other does

....they are the same
Exposure without infection does nothing.

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Statistics are never accurate.

Here are the current Washington State data, vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Please tell us why they are not accurate.

https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/fil...=62b648c656b3d

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Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 1.9 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have completed the
primary series.
• 2.9 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 12-34 year-olds who have
completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 2.1 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have completed the
primary series.
• 3.7 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 35 - 64 year-olds who have
completed the primary series.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 3.1 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the
primary series.
• 3.6 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have
completed the primary series.
• 3.9 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with 65+ year-olds who have completed the
primary series.
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Old 06-24-2022, 07:17 PM
 
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Because there is no way to prove what would have happened if they all had gone the other way. It is impossible.
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Old 06-24-2022, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Yes, the risk for most kids is almost zero. They are at more risk from the vaccine than from the disease. So why was it approved for under 5 year olds?

And the research done by the vaccine makers to show safety and effectiveness was just bogus. According to Vinay Pasad and others.

I also heard that only 20% of parents plan on getting their under 5 year old kid vaccinated. So glad to hear that.
If they were more at risk from the vaccine it would not have been approved. How was the research "bogus"? Be specific, please.

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And he recently changed his story on masks. He now says they only make people feel safer.
When and where did he say that?

On Fauci changing his story:

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...dance-changes/
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Old 06-24-2022, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Because there is no way to prove what would have happened if they all had gone the other way. It is impossible.
Not on an individual basis, but by the risk level for the entire group.
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Old 06-24-2022, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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What he has said has changed as the situation with the virus evolved. The initial expectation was that SARS-CoV-2 would behave like the original SARS. Unfortunately, that did not happen.
In other words he was wayyyyy wrong…and has changed his story and backpedaled ever since. Guess he didn’t double mask up like he suggested, yet was seen unmasked at different times, lol.
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Old 06-24-2022, 07:20 PM
 
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Fauci is the highest paid employee of the Federal Government.

"During the pandemic year of 2020, their household income, perks and benefits, and unrealized gains totaled $1,776,479 — including federal income and benefits of $868,812; outside royalties and travel perks totaling $113,298; and investment accounts increasing by $794,369.

Fauci earned $434,312 in cash compensation (FY2020) outearning all 4.3 million federal employees including the president and four-star generals in the U.S. military. Between 2010 and 2020, Dr. Fauci earned cash compensation of $3.7 million from his federal employer. "


https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamand...h=2ce8fe767d5f



And his high income will continue into retirement.

"Anthony Fauci is set to rake in the highest-ever federal government retirement package in U.S. history with his annual payment exceeding $350,000, according to a Forbes estimate.

The White House's top COVID adviser, who is 81, has shown no indications that he will retire any time soon after 55 years as a federal employee. Since 1984, Fauci has served as the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the National Institutes of Health.

If he retired today, Fauci would still earn $350,000 per year on retirement and his pension and benefits would continue to increase with cost-of-living adjustments, auditors at OpenTheBooks.com found in the Forbes review."


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-000-year.html

While those figures are obnoxious and obscene and ought to anger everyone, this is actually peanuts, in context of what he is actually raking in, which is orders of magnitude higher, making the above mere pocket change. Fauci and Collins were recipients, along with a few of their underling scientists at the NIH for patent royalties in the realm of $350,000,000 between 2010-2020. That’s a lot of cheddar.

Fauci isn’t making $1,000,000 per year, he’s making that per week. People need to realize that these high level guys at the top of this gravy train are becoming Billionaires.

Pfizer’s pre Covid vaccine annual revenue in 2020 was over 40 Billion. They made more than 50 Billion on Covid vaccines alone in 2021.

That’s a separate matter than the hundreds of millions being made in private patent royalties these criminals are raking in.



https://www.openthebooks.com/substac...hidden-by-nih/

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Old 06-24-2022, 07:25 PM
 
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Default covid vaccines save lives

Well so they say. Liars lie, so I don't trust anything said by Fauci or the CDC. But let's just imagine it is true, and that the majority of people hospitalized or dying from covid have been unvaccinated. Not that it's true, I doubt anyone has actually determined this, but for the sake of this argument.

The covid mRNA vaccines work differently than any previous vaccines. Typical vaccines are similar to natural infections -- the whole virus (deactivated or killed) is injected. The immune system learns to recognize the whole virus, and that provides immunity.

With these mRNA vaccines, synthetic RNA is injected, goes into cells, and causes the cells to generate the covid spike protein. The spikes appear on the surface of those cells, and the immune system learns to recognize them. But the spikes are appearing on the body's own HUMAN CELLS.

So instead of learning to recognize the whole covid virus, the immune system learns to recognize its own body's cells wearing covid spikes.

Some researchers think this might confuse the immune system (sorry I lost the link, will try to find it). In a way, this can be good, since covid deaths are often caused by the immune system over-reacting. After vaccination, the immune system might be more tolerant of covid spikes, having seen them on the body's own human cells.

Got it so far? So if the immune system becomes more tolerant of the spikes after vaccination, we could expect the vaccinated to be MORE susceptible to covid infection. They are just less likely to die from it or become severely ill. But their body might lose its ability to get rid of the harmful spikes. And re-infection or chronic infection might become more likely.

According to the article I read this does seem to be happening. The vaccines might actually be teaching the immune system the opposite of what it should be learning. It makes sense to me -- after all covid spikes sticking out of human cells would have to confuse the immune system.
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Old 06-24-2022, 07:25 PM
 
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Not on an individual basis, but by the risk level for the entire group.
You can't be sure. What if the vaxxed had remained unvaxxed and the unvaxxed had vaxxed? Would the results have been the same? No one knows. There is no way to be absolutely sure. Especially since the vaccine did not protect from the virus at all. Most of the people that I know, including myself, that got vaccinated still got covid. I got it twice. Was our covid easier because were vaccinated? We will never know.
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Old 06-24-2022, 07:42 PM
 
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...I also heard that only 20% of parents plan on getting their under 5 year old kid vaccinated. So glad to hear that.
Only 27 % said they definitely won't.

https://www.vox.com/23166033/covid-v...pfizer-moderna

A May poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation reported that 20 percent of parents of kids under 5 years old would vaccinate them as soon as possible, 38 percent said they would wait a while, and 27 percent said they would “definitely not” vaccinate their young children
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