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Old 06-17-2022, 03:33 PM
 
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Or simply don’t have kids if you can’t afford them and/or have time to take care of them. It’s so simple.
Yeah. Anyone who can’t plan for 18 years of reliable income should not have kids. In fact they shouldn’t have sex. They should just wake up go to work go home and go to sleep. That’s freedom in America.

Or we could pay livable wages make contraceptive free and easy and have paid maternity leave.

Which do you think gives more actual freedom to your average American?
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Old 06-17-2022, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Yeah. Anyone who can’t plan for 18 years of reliable income should not have kids. In fact they shouldn’t have sex. They should just wake up go to work go home and go to sleep. That’s freedom in America.

Or we could pay livable wages make contraceptive free and easy and have paid maternity leave.

Which do you think gives more actual freedom to your average American?
Plan accordingly before having children so that if a door closes, one has the opportunity to open another.

Nah, both parties should just use birth control.

Many businesses are paying living wages, and for folks that want more, they should better themselves to make more money.

Folks already have actual freedom. Those that want more can work for more. Poor planning doesn’t constitute entitlement.
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Old 06-17-2022, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I was a military brat, and I didn't lack for time with my dad, so I don't know what she's talking about either. My husband, also a military kid, would say the same thing. We both have loving and close relationships with our fathers.
Depends upon the job your father was doing in the military. My job had me working 10-14 hours every day starting at around 3:00 PM, and required more weekends than I'd have liked. Working those hours, combined with deploying in other states or overseas for 4 months a year on average. I was guaranteed to be gone eight months a year every two years, and that's just for training during peace time.

But when I was at home I was there as a father. I was there helping to coach their sports and scout master, took time to play catch, go fishing, camping, etc... I was even forced to learn their MTG card game, after I grounded them from friends for a time. LOL
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Old 06-17-2022, 04:28 PM
 
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Plan accordingly before having children so that if a door closes, one has the opportunity to open another.

Nah, both parties should just use birth control.

Many businesses are paying living wages, and for folks that want more, they should better themselves to make more money.

Folks already have actual freedom. Those that want more can work for more. Poor planning doesn’t constitute entitlement.
Which is more entitled?

Wanting to get enough money from work to pay for food shelter healthcare for you and a dependent.

Or

Having millions and expecting it to magically multiply through the market, when in reality it is just money taken from workers who actually perform the goods and services while you add nothing of value.

Our current economic system serves the latter.

and lots of businesses don’t pay livable wages. Yet their workers still do necessary work and need government programs to make ends meet. Such as Wal Mart. Who is more entitled? The Wal Mart worker or the Wal Mart stockholders and owners?

Entitlement is just another term currently used to vilify working people.
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Old 06-17-2022, 04:28 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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America's crisis is a lack of fathers - depends on the man.



Parenthood (1989) - A Boy Needs a Man Around
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Old 06-17-2022, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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He caught a lot of flack for this, but in retrospect, I think he was on the money on this one.



Nike Air commercial Charles Barkley - I am not a role model
Now teachers think that since they went to a four year college that they should be role models and raise your kids, and turn them against you if need be.

Just as there are some parents who are horrible people and bad parents, there are teachers who should never influence kids or be a role model for any child.

Just as some people go into politics or to practice law, because they want to push their views and agenda on people and society, whether they like it or not. There are some people who go into teaching because they want to push their politics and ideology and life style choices onto children.
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Old 06-17-2022, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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My mom was able to take care of 3 kids on a department store clerk's salary 75 years ago. There were things we did not have that other kids had. But we all had dinner together every night. And we had a mom who knew the difference between right and wrong.
The key is a parent who acts like a parent not a friend and as you say knows the difference between right and wrong.
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Old 06-17-2022, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Which is more entitled?

Wanting to get enough money from work to pay for food shelter healthcare for you and a dependent.

Or

Having millions and expecting it to magically multiply through the market, when in reality it is just money taken from workers who actually perform the goods and services while you add nothing of value.

Our current economic system serves the latter.

and lots of businesses don’t pay livable wages. Yet their workers still do necessary work and need government programs to make ends meet. Such as Wal Mart. Who is more entitled? The Wal Mart worker or the Wal Mart stockholders and owners?

Entitlement is just another term currently used to vilify working people.
Lol. Employers are the ones that build businesses and create jobs for folks to make money, but it’s hilarious how you think owners of businesses do nothing…and entitlement is thinking one deserves more while taking a job they agreed to and the pay they receive.

And those jobs weren’t/aren’t intended to do so. Putting oneself in a position to not be able to get more than an entry level job while supporting a family is poor planning and isn’t anyone else’s fault.

Walmart has a huge number of employees making livable wages.

The Walmart owner is more entitled to make more money along with the stockholders depending on how much they have invested…and nobody’s stopping anyone from starting their own business so they can do the same thing.

Nope, entitlement is thinking one deserves more than they have or make compared to other folks who planned accordingly to make themselves more valuable, and thinking one deserves what others have without working for it.

Perhaps you should start a business and pay everyone what you see fit versus expecting others to pay for what you see fit. You’re entitled to do that.
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Old 06-17-2022, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Mmmmm, this sort of came up at a psychology conference in the first decade of this century. Not him directly but about how the athletes wear all the gold jewelry and ought to be better role models.

But the thing about using someone you don't know as a role model is that you don't know what does on in their life for them to have the image that one sees. Such as, someone might see me as a great role model in my focus, my alertness, of how nothing depresses me........and not realize at all the loneliness generated to achieve that.
Most of the people who are at the top of their game have sacrificed their personal lives and have developed personality traits that are not desirable. This includes people who literally play sports, or are entertainers, tech giants, engineers, or just that obsessive boss at work. They are highly driven and singularly focused people. It's about impossible to be a superstar and be a regular person at the same time. The superstars who is either on the road every day or working those 16 hour days, they normally have no time for family life and their personal relationships are almost nonexistent.
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Old 06-17-2022, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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That network is where the father earns the dough and the mother nurtures the children.

You can't get away from reality. It has a way of reasserting itself.
Then again I've know families where it's the father who is the empathetic, even tempered one, the nurturer who helps with homework, and activities, and is the sympathetic ear; the parental role model. The mom is stand offish, too strict, just does her own thing, and helps out with some things.
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