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Old 06-28-2022, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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If say the Cherokee nation or some other recognized Indian tribe argued that the same precedent that allows them gambling rights allows them autonomy like another state in the union on abortion policy ….

Analogous to walking into a hardware store hoping to shop for groceries?
C'mon man...............even Joe wouldn't go there.
Are you saying Native Americans are not savvy enough to open a facility and staff it with qualified medical personnel?
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Old 06-28-2022, 07:14 PM
 
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Good luck trying to fund such clinics!
They could use GoFundMe and collect enough to open a clinic in a few days.

But realistically, there are enough organizations in this country to help them raise the funding they would need.
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Old 06-28-2022, 07:15 PM
 
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There probably wouldn't be anything illegal about this, but I'd argue that such practices should be a call for Congress to cut the funding of these tribes. And not because they would be performing abortions (setting aside for a second my own problem with the practice), but rather because they would be using already scarce resources on non-tribal members; tribes today are always complaining about how much more in resources they need to treat citizens.
An independent clinic owned by the tribe would be a moneymaker for them. Just like the casinos.
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Old 06-28-2022, 07:27 PM
 
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Just stop. I know companies offer insurance and some offer paid maternity leave.

I did look it up and they are talking about additional coverage or letting people pay using their Health Savings Accounts. As I said, I don’t care what private companies do.
Then what is your problem?
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Old 06-28-2022, 08:05 PM
 
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I know but the way they make it sound like this would not be insurance. I don’t care what private companies do but I have an issue with the idea of abortion sanctuaries that we would have to pay for.
They might not yet know if their current insurance is broad enough. So IMO it would be reassuring for the employees/patients to hear that.
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Old 06-28-2022, 08:10 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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I don't think they're going to accept "the white man" (in this case, ladies) to come storming onto their reservations for abortions.
Some reservations actually have few Natives living on them, they officially maintain the land or get lease agreements but almost all residents are non Native. Examples are Isabella Res around Mt Pleasant MI or the town of Riverton WY. Not all are isolated from population centers. Tribes would have final say but I'd think at least some would be willing given that Natives slant heavily Democrat.

Another thing I've wonder is whether people could donate land to tribes in states without any reservations for the purpose of opening an abortion provider on it.
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Old 06-28-2022, 08:15 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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It does not have to be part of the Indian Health Service. They could decide to build a facility, owned by the tribe, to provide abortion services. All profits would go to the tribe.
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An independent clinic owned by the tribe would be a moneymaker for them. Just like the casinos.
Even bigger moneymaker than most realize. Wait until one of the patients is injured or dies from inadequate care or negligence and the patient or their family attempt to sue the reservation.
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Old 06-28-2022, 08:18 PM
 
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Some reservations actually have few Natives living on them, they officially maintain the land or get lease agreements but almost all residents are non Native. Examples are Isabella Res around Mt Pleasant MI or the town of Riverton WY. Not all are isolated from population centers. Tribes would have final say but I'd think at least some would be willing given that Natives slant heavily Democrat.

Another thing I've wonder is whether people could donate land to tribes in states without any reservations for the purpose of opening an abortion provider on it.
Now there's a thought.
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Old 06-28-2022, 08:19 PM
 
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Even bigger moneymaker than most realize. Wait until one of the patients is injured or dies from inadequate care or negligence and the patient or their family attempt to sue the reservation.
Why would you assume the care would be inadequate?
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Old 06-28-2022, 08:23 PM
 
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If they create a bunch of abortion mills then I doubt the federal government will step in, they could but I doubt they will.

Many in the Sioux Tribe on Pine Ridge and elsewhere believe that the unborn are persons and don't believe in aborting them. Others in other tribes may feel the same. This could lead to much fighting and division within the tribes...but those on the left won't care.
Why would it lead to fighting and vision within the tribes? Are you thinking a tribe would be forced in some way to operate an abortion clinic?
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