Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
And we're told that registering to vote and showing up on voting day to cast a vote is just too difficult for a large segment of our population, yet these same people are going to magically be able to apply for a passport, get triple vaccinated, present proof of vaccination/card, afford to travel to Canada (flights are really expensive!), find a doctor, have a medical procedure done and then travel back to the US?
Oh, Can-Na-Dumb!
So all pregnant Americans living close to the border are unvaccinated and none of them have passports or can drive cars across the border?
And we're told that registering to vote and showing up on voting day to cast a vote is just too difficult for a large segment of our population, yet these same people are going to magically be able to apply for a passport, get triple vaccinated, present proof of vaccination/card, afford to travel to Canada (flights are really expensive!), find a doctor, have a medical procedure done and then travel back to the US?
Oh, Can-Na-Dumb!
Not thinking it's Canada that's dumb. As it said in the post above yours, there are already a small number of women who come to Canada for those services. AGAIN, for people who live close to the border in states that banned or will ban abortion, that might be the quickest and easiest way. It doesn't cost anything to drive to Canada except for maybe a bridge toll in a couple of places, and if they live near the border, they likely already have a passport, wouldn't you think? People on both sides of the border who live close to the line travel back and forth regularly to shop, go out to dinner, visit friends and relatives, etc.
I doubt there will be a huge number of women spilling over the 49th parallel to get abortions, but it's an option for some, and it may be cost effective, as well. Healthcare prices for Americans who have to self-pay are less expensive here.
And such abortions are a fraction of a percent and overwhelmingly are due to a congenital issue in the fetus incompatible with life, or due to a health risk to the mother.
New York just enables the fetus to be spared a birth and death of misery, or spares the mother death, without anybody getting arrested. The overwhelming majority of abortions in NY or anywhere in the U.S. take place well before this time.
There IS such a thing as mercy, and compassion. Not so much on the part of conservatives, but yes, it happens, and some states make sure of that. Others don't really care.
Trumpers, not conservatives.
Many of the pro-lifers (really pro-birth people) on this thread are Trumpers.
Whatever conservative bona fides they may have previously possessed, they flushed those down the toilet when they voted for Trump.
Actual conservatives wouldn't vote for Trump.
Trump isn't conservative (one prolific P&OC trumper even admits that).
Canadian Snowbird Association does provide Travel Health Insurance for Canadians who winter in the USA. But it does not cover anything but emergency care.
It means if you have a medical emergency you can get some care in the USA. There are limits and directives. My father in law was airlifted in a private medical plane when he got sick here in USA. The extra travel insurance he had bought while wintering in USA paid for that rather than keep him here in USA.
That's not the same thing as Canadians choosing to seek medical care in the USA.
Who's part of the organisation? Older folks, for the most part. Sure a major aspect to people travelling southward has to do with seeking out locations with little to no income tax requirements but if that was their only concern they could make their way to Wyoming or South Dakota which are both affordable states and have no income taxes iirc.
People's bodies become more susceptible to extreme elements as they get older due to things like the layering of fat underneath the skin thinning out, making it difficult for the body's temperature to regulate. What these senior individuals are doing is basically travelling to locations that are more environmentally tolerable for their bodies. It's not medical care in the most straightforward context but the climatic accommodations that they seek is akin to it.
Who's part of the organisation? Older folks, for the most part. Sure a major aspect to people travelling southward has to do with seeking out locations with little to no income tax requirements but if that was their only concern they could make their way to Wyoming or South Dakota which are both affordable states and have no income taxes iirc.
People's bodies become more susceptible to extreme elements as they get older due to things like the layering of fat underneath the skin thinning out, making it difficult for the body's temperature to regulate. What these senior individuals are doing is basically travelling to locations that are more environmentally tolerable for their bodies. It's not medical care in the most straightforward context but the climatic accommodations that they seek is akin to it.
Income tax has nothing to do with it. They are Canadian citizens that rent a place or have bought a place and live there to get away from winter. They pay no American federal or state taxes.
And yes 'snowbirds' -- Canadian and American move to warm climates in the winter.
For 'international' travelers...you need travel health insurance or you pay 100% out of pocket. Most Canadians who travel to USA will purchase some kind of extra health insurance.
And the point is Canadian Snowbirds do not seek, for the most part, medical attention in USA unless it is an emergency.
Income tax has nothing to do with it. They are Canadian citizens that rent a place or have bought a place and live there to get away from winter. They pay no American federal or state taxes.
And yes 'snowbirds' -- Canadian and American move to warm climates in the winter.
For 'international' travelers...you need travel health insurance or you pay 100% out of pocket. Most Canadians who travel to USA will purchase some kind of extra health insurance.
And the point is Canadian Snowbirds do not seek, for the most part, medical attention in USA unless it is an emergency.
Residency status in a foreign country and the amount earned are important aspects of the tax policy, I believe. I've read how a number of Canadians declare residency in a tax haven for reasons that should be obvious.
But that's not the point I'm trying to make. Much of the impetus for these people to travel southward has to do with weather and the impact it has on the body. Americans do it too but many of them can just travel to the southern states for warm weather. How does that not constitute as a health related motivator for travelling?
Residency status in a foreign country and the amount earned are important aspects of the tax policy, I believe. I've read how a number of Canadians declare residency in a tax haven for reasons that should be obvious.
But that's not the point I'm trying to make. Much of the impetus for these people to travel southward has to do with weather and the impact it has on the body. Americans do it too but many of them can just travel to the southern states for warm weather. How does that not constitute as a health related motivator for travelling?
The point you're trying to make has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of the thread.
Of course Canadians travel south for the winter because of the climate. They choose the southern U.S. due to common language and convenience of travel choices AND not shoveling the driveway/sidewalk daily or having to constantly drive in slippery conditions among a host of other reasons NOT associated with any health or medical concerns. Gotta say, it has been my experience that for anything short of a heart attack, most Canadians will simply beat feet back to Canada if getting ill with something that will result in extended medical care. The common cold etc., - we go to a nearby clinic and pay up front for a script just as most Americans would.
Summation; as regards snowbirds from Canada - they are primarily there for reasons of climate and not to obtain any medical care they can obtain fully paid for at home.
There is no "residency status" concern for Canadians OR Americans travelling to either country for a term of less than 180 days in one 365 day period.
You must not be aware that the U.S. and Canada share, if allowed entry, an "assumed" visitor visa of 180 days. Taxation does not come into it unless you stay longer than an American formula that covers your stay over three consecutive years totaling more than 163 days BUT, forestalling any complications due to that formula impacting you, all you need do is fill out the 8840 form in advance of your stays stipulating you have a closer connection to Canada in the form of taxes paid properties owned, utility services paid, Canadian bank accounts etc., et-voila; American taxation is not then of any concern.
The meandering off topic this thread took that you were adamantly going on about was far more Canadians per-capita seek medical care in the U.S. than Americans go outbound for their care. That's wrong. We're not stupid. If seeking a butt lift, tummy tuck or dental stuff we'll go to the same places Americans do - Mexico, India, Sri Lanka, Thailand where they provide concierge service and every bit as good medical expertise as the U.S. but at probably less than a third of the cost. There are hundreds of agencies in the U.S. set up for the express purpose of providing Americans complete travel arrangements to any number of medical care facilities in foreign countries. A simple google would prove my point.
Now let's see how many such org's exist to provide Canadians, whose medical care is free at point of service, a similar arrangement.
Last edited by BruSan; 06-30-2022 at 05:51 PM..
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
