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Old 07-05-2022, 01:10 PM
 
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With the logical inverse being: if abortion is that awful to some people, let those people move to a state that forbids it.
The unborn baby does not have that ability.

 
Old 07-05-2022, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Yes, it does. Using birth control only sometimes but not others, forgetting to take a pill, etc., leaves a woman unprotected against pregnancy. And women KNOW that, which is why they themselves reported inconsistent use.
Women do not voluntarily forget to take their birth control pills.
 
Old 07-05-2022, 01:53 PM
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Expect a flood of more stories like this.

A Texas woman, who had battled cervical cancer and many miscarriages, was pregnant with a beloved baby, when she found out the baby had critical health issues and she herself could also suffer losing her health. Sadly, the decision seemed clear to abort, her doctors said, and told her there was no where in Texas to do that. So she had to travel to New Mexico, at the height of her heartbreak.

We can do better than this.

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/lo...9-acfc778189ac
 
Old 07-05-2022, 02:08 PM
 
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Expect a flood of more stories like this.

A Texas woman, who had battled cervical cancer and many miscarriages, was pregnant with a beloved baby, when she found out the baby had critical health issues and she herself could also suffer losing her health. Sadly, the decision seemed clear to abort, her doctors said, and told her there was no where in Texas to do that. So she had to travel to New Mexico, at the height of her heartbreak.

We can do better than this.

Apparently, we can't...or rather, won't.

There is very little grace for women who are confronted with these kinds of decisions. And sadly, there appear to be some who don't think a mother's life should be saved if her fetus' life can't be saved. Fetus first, always, no matter what. You won't find empathy or compassion with wingnuts, that's for sure.
 
Old 07-05-2022, 02:09 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Women do not voluntarily forget to take their birth control pills.
They voluntarily have sex after doing so. That's why they admitted it. They knew it was a factor in their unintended pregnancy. Every pill packet dispensed includes a warning to use a backup bc method if one or more pills are missed because the pill is no longer effective for that cycle.
 
Old 07-05-2022, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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They voluntarily have sex after doing so. That's why they admitted it. They knew it was a factor in their unintended pregnancy. Every pill packet dispensed includes a warning to use a backup bc method if one or more pills are missed because the pill is no longer effective for that cycle.
Forgot pill in morning

Had sex that night

Next morning look at pill pack and realize she didn't take it yesterday.

Oops. THAT IS CALLED A MISTAKE. Involuntary

Only you are perfect, it seems.
 
Old 07-05-2022, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Women do not voluntarily forget to take their birth control pills.
Well, they actually don't forget, some want to get pregnant, so "forget" on purpose, which does sound "voluntarily". How can you possibly know about all women and what they do?

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They voluntarily have sex after doing so. That's why they admitted it. They knew it was a factor in their unintended pregnancy. Every pill packet dispensed includes a warning to use a backup bc method if one or more pills are missed because the pill is no longer effective for that cycle.
Some women forget on purpose. I never missed one as I was highly motivated and would never terminate the life of a baby. I also never had sex with strangers, drunk sex or drugged sex, so that probably helped. If they are too dumb to understand the warning, maybe they need to look at sterilization, injection or patch. Something for everyone despite their lack of motivation or intelligence!

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Forgot pill in morning

Had sex that night

Next morning look at pill pack and realize she didn't take it yesterday.

Oops. THAT IS CALLED A MISTAKE. Involuntary

Only you are perfect, it seems.
What is the likelihood that missing one pill will result in a pregnancy?

https://www.healthline.com/health/bi...l%20you%20take.

"You get the best results if you take your pill around the same time every single day. With perfect use, birth control pills are close to 99 percent effective."

"That drops to 91 percent with typical use, which takes into account slip-ups, like forgetting to take a pill once in a while."

So, I guess anyone sexually active needs to have a discussion about what they plan to do if they become pregnant. If the backup method of BC was abortion, one maybe need to review the method they will use.

Imagine if the pills being taken daily were life-saving, oh wait, in the case of the birth control pill, it could save a life if taken per the directions provided with the prescription as no baby to lose their life.

Gee, maybe if they can't manage birth control, they really shouldn't be having kids!
 
Old 07-05-2022, 04:44 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Forgot pill in morning

Had sex that night

Next morning look at pill pack and realize she didn't take it yesterday.

Oops. THAT IS CALLED A MISTAKE. Involuntary

Only you are perfect, it seems.
No, that's voluntarily NOT taking the pill every day. No one forced her to NOT take the pill.

And again... yes, people make mistakes. Do they get to kill another human to fix their mistake?
 
Old 07-05-2022, 04:46 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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What is the likelihood that missing one pill will result in a pregnancy?

https://www.healthline.com/health/bi...l%20you%20take.

"You get the best results if you take your pill around the same time every single day. With perfect use, birth control pills are close to 99 percent effective."

"That drops to 91 percent with typical use, which takes into account slip-ups, like forgetting to take a pill once in a while."

So, I guess anyone sexually active needs to have a discussion about what they plan to do if they become pregnant. If the backup method of BC was abortion, one maybe need to review the method they will use.

Imagine if the pills being taken daily were life-saving, oh wait, in the case of the birth control pill, it could save a life if taken per the directions provided with the prescription as no baby to lose their life.

Gee, maybe if they can't manage birth control, they really shouldn't be having kids!
You mean... Gee, maybe if they can't manage birth control, they really shouldn't be having sex!
 
Old 07-05-2022, 05:34 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
Abortion does not decrease unintended pregnancy because the unintended pregnancy has to happen before the abortion. The doctor referenced wants to prevent the unintended pregnancy, which makes for fewer abortions.

That is really not a difficult process to understand.
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Originally Posted by berdee View Post
Yeeahhhh, don't you hate when an abortion happens before a pregnancy? Sorry but you don't make sense with that comment. Are you saying that pregnancies that end up in abortion are intended pregnancies?

Anyway. It's not a difficult process to understand that if BC is used, and use it correctly, then there would be less of a chance of becoming pregnant...and yet the majority still refuses to use it.
Total Fertility Rate in the u.s. is 1.64%; that is the percentage of women not on BC and/or sterilized themselves to prevent conception. It's a minority of women who will conceive and either abort or give birth, not the other way around.

btw: it takes a 2.1% to replace a society; note we are well below that.
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