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Old 07-16-2022, 11:02 AM
 
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Biden's courting the Saudi's to increase oil production to sell to the U.S., & to lower World prices.

He pledged to take sides with Saudi Arabia over Iran militarily, (against Iran's nuke ambitions) which again draws us into Middle Eastern conflict, where we do not belong.

At the same time, Biden's party has asked banks not to fund USA oil company explorations, & stopped the XL pipeline, which constrains North American (Canada) oil production & sales into the global markets.

So, why is Saudi oil/gas better than North America's? Does it burn cleaner?

Why spend Billions on Middle East oil when so many Middle Easterners hate America, & have attacked our citizens, & military, here and abroad?

Why put North America in the postion to have to take sides in Middle Eastern affairs...again? Canada's oil/gas production doesn't put us in any such position.

Why not promote the production of North American oil & gas instead?

Biden & the Democrats are repeating behaviors that failed us before, & are hoping for different results this time around. Are they insane, or will getting more deeply involved in Middle Eastern affairs, turn out differently this time?

We've been down this road before, and it didn't end well.
It is better. It destroys our country faster, which is the goal of democrats and Brandon.
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Old 07-16-2022, 11:12 AM
 
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Why not promote the production of North American oil & gas instead?

Biden & the Democrats are repeating behaviors that failed us before, & are hoping for different results this time around. Are they insane, or will getting more deeply involved in Middle Eastern affairs, turn out differently this time?

We've been down this road before, and it didn't end well.
Mining for oil to produce petroleum is harmful to the environment, and using the products is harmful to the environment, including our atmosphere. (So is CO2 and Methane.) Burning wood/coal is harmful to the environment. Farting is harmful to the environment.

We've built all of our systems on using energy that is not renewable. They are killing our planet and all that live here, over time. The problem is that to stop using these insidious sources of energy would make us and our domestic stock unsustainable. If we stop using them we die. If we use them we will kill the planet and ourselves.

Biden is stalling by at least using petroleum that will not destroy OUR native environment.

The only true solution is to drastically cut back on our reproduction, move to a plant-based diet, and grow that fuel without using fuel. Even then, we are so far gone that it's probably too late.

There's a hard rain gonna fall.
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Old 07-16-2022, 11:24 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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And least we all forget Manufactured products are such much better for the environment when made in China and India. It's why we have such strong environmental regulation here at home so we can help force production overseas where it is better for the environment. Remember as long as it's not in my back yard it doesn't matter.
Yep. Makes us look like a bunch of entitled jackasses. And we are in that regard. We can sure use all those manufactured items, we just can't pay the environmental price to make them in our own "yard." Can't have a steel mill in the US, but we sure can drive those cars, use those tools, etc.
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Old 07-16-2022, 11:28 AM
 
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We should be doing the opposite of what the far left greenies are doing in Europe and here. Build hundreds of nuclear power plants. Carbon free. Domestic production. Huge job creators. Might slow down Global Warming (lol). Runs 24/7/365, unlike solar and wind.

Boom. Problem(s) solved.

Instead in the Woke Clown World we're currently living in, the opposite is happening. Nuclear plants are being shut down in Europe and the US.

Well, we better begin right now; as nuclear plants require 5-7 years to complete construction of.
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Old 07-16-2022, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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WHAT IF - - -
"Someone" knows that the purported "undiscovered" oil reserves of the USA are bogus?
And that "they" know that the domestic supply would only support 5 - 10 years of consumption (at current levels)?
And that "they" figure that shifting to imports is one way to stretch out that supply?
THIS IS ONLY SPECULATION AND NOT AN ASSERTION THAT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF CHEAP AND PLENTIFUL FOSSIL FUEL WHILE SUBIDIZING THE WASTEFUL CONSUMPTION OF IT, AND PENALIZING ALL FRUGAL ALTERNATIVES, FOR POLITICAL GAIN.
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Old 07-16-2022, 11:42 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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There's no way we can get by without oil imports over the next few decades, even while we are going full-bore transition to a reduced carbon-emission energy system. The problem is that both sides are seeing this as a black-and-white issue, when it's going to take persistence, careful planning, and a steady technology transition. We're going to have a hybrid energy system for a while, with all the negative consequences that entails.
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Old 07-16-2022, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Saudi oil is lighter and sweeter than all others.
That makes it easier and more profitable to refine into gasoline, but it doesn't change the gasoline's CO2 emissions any.

All it really does is make Saudi oil a Best Buy over domestic oil. If the domestic oil is heavier, it's more expensive to pump and transport through the pipelines.

And then more expensive to refine into gasoline, twice over. American crude is thick and heavy. It takes more refining to make it gasoline, and more of the crude simply can't be refined highly enough to be gasoline.

The Saudi oil needs less refining to become gasoline, so more of it becomes gasoline and less of it becomes asphalt.

The price of crude doesn't ever include those other, hidden costs of pumping, transport and refining.

So Saudi crude can cost more than our crude, but still have more profit for the oil companies at the pump.
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Old 07-16-2022, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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We should be doing the opposite of what the far left greenies are doing in Europe and here. Build hundreds of nuclear power plants. Carbon free. Domestic production. Huge job creators. Might slow down Global Warming (lol). Runs 24/7/365, unlike solar and wind.

Boom. Problem(s) solved.

Instead in the Woke Clown World we're currently living in, the opposite is happening. Nuclear plants are being shut down in Europe and the US.
NUKEY NUKE
URANIUM
About 27 tonnes of uranium – around 18 million fuel pellets housed in over 50,000 fuel rods – is required each year for a 1000 MWe pressurized water reactor.
(1 metric tonne = 2204.62 pounds)

United States uranium reserves are strongly dependent on price. At $50 per pound U3O8, reserves are estimated to be 539 million pounds; however, at a price of $100 per pound, reserves are an estimated 1227 million pounds.
(Or 556,558 metric tonnes)

((Computes to 20,613 years of fuel. If 500* power plants are in operation, that computes to 41 years of fuel for each plant.))

BUT WAIT

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...fuel-cycle.php
“Uranium is the most widely used fuel by nuclear power plants for nuclear fission. Nuclear power plants use a certain type of uranium—U-235—as fuel because its atoms are easily split apart. Although uranium is about 100 times more common than silver, U-235 is relatively rare at just over 0.7% of natural uranium. Uranium concentrate is separated from uranium ore at uranium mills or from a slurry at in-situ leaching facilities. It is then processed in conversion and enrichment facilities, which increases the level of U-235 to 3%–5% for commercial nuclear reactors, and made into reactor fuel pellets and fuel rods in reactor fuel fabrication plants.”
(*Uranium mills consume gigawatts of power to run the centrifuges that separate out the various isotopes. In WW2, the refinement process required so much power output, they were situated near hydroelectric plants in Oak Ridge, Tennessee (TVA) and Hanford, Washington (Columbia river). However, today, there is only one enrichment plant in operation - another bottleneck.)

Let’s assume that only 1% of all that uranium reserve is usable as nuke fuel (sufficient percentage of U-235), which means we’re not going to be able to simply “build hundreds of nuclear power plants.”

Historical note : Hanford was a small agricultural community in Benton County, Washington, United States. It and White Bluffs were depopulated in 1943 in order to make room for the nuclear production facility known as the Hanford Site.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford,_Washington

Oak Ridge, Tennessee, is the site of one of the two oldest nuclear facilities in the United States. Although precise records have not been maintained, low levels of radioactive products have been released into the environment since the facility began operation in World War II.
ANOTHER "BENEFIT" !

https://www.atomicheritage.org/histo...t-oak-ridge-tn
During the Manhattan Project, about 3,000 people from rural eastern Tennessee were displaced for new research and development sites. Generations of families, farmers, and Native Americans resided in these chosen “isolated” areas. As a result of the Manhattan Project, these people were forced to abandon their homes and land, often without sufficient or even any compensation.




*WHY 500 plants?

Current Electricity Consumption in the USA
Electricity consumption in the United States was about 3.9 trillion kilowatthours (kWh) in 2021.
(On average, that computes to generation requirement of 445,205,479,452 W )
(445 gigawatts, or 445 x 1000 MWe plants)
((3.9 x 10^15 W / (365 x 24))

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Old 07-16-2022, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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It's a lot easier to refine, so yeah in a sense it is.
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Old 07-16-2022, 12:14 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Saudi oil is lighter and sweeter than all others.
That makes it easier and more profitable to refine into gasoline, but it doesn't change the gasoline's CO2 emissions any.

All it really does is make Saudi oil a Best Buy over domestic oil. If the domestic oil is heavier, it's more expensive to pump and transport through the pipelines.

And then more expensive to refine into gasoline, twice over. American crude is thick and heavy. It takes more refining to make it gasoline, and more of the crude simply can't be refined highly enough to be gasoline.

The Saudi oil needs less refining to become gasoline, so more of it becomes gasoline and less of it becomes asphalt.

The price of crude doesn't ever include those other, hidden costs of pumping, transport and refining.

So Saudi crude can cost more than our crude, but still have more profit for the oil companies at the pump.
So, in summary, better to pollute, "over there".
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