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Old 08-08-2022, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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please show a link that trump did that.... information I see is that the cuts of personnel were from 2014 thru 2018, and they were not really a large cut (about 12%)... currently today (2022) 78,661 down from the peak of 2012 of 90,280

2013 86,974
2014 84,133
2015 79,890
2016 77,924
2017 76,832

I see most of the cuts during Obama

their budget this past FY was $13.7 billion

nah you are seeing the tail end of the CSRS employees getting out. while yes, obama cut the budget, no one was fired or laid off or surplussed. the rest of the CSRS employees gubmint wide are retiring by december.


the yearly tax gap is around 450+ BILLION. that 80b is over 10 years or 8B a year. thats almost a 60:1 return on the table.


while it may very well be true that families with sad looking children might get audited because the home improvement contractor gets a little slippy with cash jobs...the fact remains that a home improvment contractor with sad looking children cheated on his taxes.


word of advice - you know that super whizzbang car or truck you got that you cannot afford, but as a biz writeoff you did buy it and call it a 'bizness expense'? you have been warned for over 10 years that all cars are now tracked and guess what - the mileage claims and use no longer adds up. youins-all are first.
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Old 08-08-2022, 07:06 PM
 
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I will mark you on the list of people who approve of sabotaging their own government.

Next?
fed or just a karen?
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Old 08-08-2022, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Trump is the one who gutted the IRS staff (and other agencies) to the point where some of them cannot function properly. That is a Republican scheme, you know... reduce the staff and then claim the agency cannot do the job so then lobby to close it down.
Tax revenues flowing into the U.S, Treasury have increased nearly every year you have been alive.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

If you disagree, please elaborate.
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Old 08-08-2022, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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You beat me to the punch. Agency weaponization.
90% or so tax on pharmaceutical companies who don’t agree to the govt medicine prices. How is that cost NOT passed off to taxpayers, either by tax increases in some form and non availability of drugs/medicine?

Have you seen all the taxes on natural gas, coal, etc?

How about that nice little tax on stock trades in your 401k?

Disgusting.

Yep, grow the serf class. These A holes in congress are no better than Russian and Chinese thug governments. I’d love to vote every damn one of them out on BOTH sides of the aisle. And what do you want to bet ther3 will e some sort of mid term drama we’re just supposed to close our eyes to?
Now, we just need ~100M more like us to save America.
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Old 08-08-2022, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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There has been a strong desire to increase audits on middle America. These are people who earn $100k-$2500k.
The bottom 57% pay no net federal income taxes, so will never be audited.

The top 1% have so many loopholes, & payoff so many poltiticians, they will never be audited either...unless they pizz off the wrong person.

Its the top 2%-43% who have HUGE targets on their wallets. if they are tax cheats, then good, but the IRS will be greatly disappointed by this group...they are largely honest taxpaying patriots.
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Old 08-08-2022, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Imagine how many more billions will go to Ukraine now that small businesses and small incomes are going to get fined for things they probably didn’t even know they were doing wrong. Good thing I’m a single issue voter - pro pedophile - so I don’t have to think about the repercussions.
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Old 08-08-2022, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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The bottom 57% pay no net federal income taxes, so will never be audited.

The top 1% have so many loopholes, & payoff so many poltiticians, they will never be audited either...unless they pizz off the wrong person.

Its the top 2%-43% who have HUGE targets on their wallets. if they are tax cheats, then good, but the IRS will be greatly disappointed by this group...they are largely honest taxpaying patriots.
Why would gov tax the rich / upper salaries? It’s almost all direct or second tier tax payer money paying those salaries.
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Old 08-08-2022, 07:41 PM
 
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I had this argument with my Brother once. He thought the low income people or say people with income less than $60K yearly for example should pay the same % that people with the income of anything above $60K.

H just couldn't understand if the IRS taxes people with the same % the people under his yearly $100K plus the overtime of $100K it would put people on welfare. If people with such low income are taxed the same who the heck would want to work when so much of taxes is taken out that it's not enough to live on. Especially with rents so insanely high and the cost of buying a home and property taxes also.
They should pay the same percentage…not the same amount. They make less so they would pay less. Percentage based system is the only fair way to go. Close the loopholes everyone exploits, simplify the code and make everyone pay their share.
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Old 08-08-2022, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I had this argument with my Brother once. He thought the low income people or say people with income less than $60K yearly for example should pay the same % that people with the income of anything above $60K.

H just couldn't understand if the IRS taxes people with the same % the people under his yearly $100K plus the overtime of $100K it would put people on welfare. If people with such low income are taxed the same who the heck would want to work when so much of taxes is taken out that it's not enough to live on. Especially with rents so insanely high and the cost of buying a home and property taxes also.
actually if you tax at one flat rate...
1 its not discriminatory like a progressive tax.
2 you can easily take care of the bottom rung of the ladder, with the std deduction (no other deductions)


for example
person making $30,000...flat tax rate 10%.... his tax, before the std deduction $3,000...std deduction for all (married or not) 25k... his new tax is $500

person making $300,000...flat tax rate 10%.... his tax, before the std deduction $30,000...std deduction for all (married or not) 25k... his new tax is $27,000

person making $3,000,000...flat tax rate 10%.... his tax, before the std deduction $300,000...std deduction for all (married or not) 25k... his new tax is $297,500

a flat tax is non-discriminatory..... why discriminate ??


I'd rather have a national sales tax, instead of an income tax
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Old 08-08-2022, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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actually if you tax at one flat rate...
1 its not discriminatory like a progressive tax.
2 you can easily take care of the bottom rung of the ladder, with the std deduction (no other deductions)


for example
person making $30,000...flat tax rate 10%.... his tax, before the std deduction $3,000...std deduction for all (married or not) 25k... his new tax is $500

person making $300,000...flat tax rate 10%.... his tax, before the std deduction $30,000...std deduction for all (married or not) 25k... his new tax is $27,000

person making $3,000,000...flat tax rate 10%.... his tax, before the std deduction $300,000...std deduction for all (married or not) 25k... his new tax is $297,500

a flat tax is non-discriminatory..... why discriminate ??


I'd rather have a national sales tax, instead of an income tax
A flat tax would never economically work actually. It implies all the taxed money will eventually make it back to its taxed micro economies. That’s not true. Tax money normally gets poured into cities. Without a cut off point where people stop getting taxed, rural will get taxed until no one has enough in the local circulation to pay minimum wage.
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