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Old 08-14-2022, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Beautiful NNJ
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Here is a great thread on Twitter from a former Federal prosecutor about the likelihood of this ending up with Trump being criminally charged. He also addresses the classified/not classified issue and talks a bit about SOP in similar situations.

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/...LlWKn_sdDM8lVg

 
Old 08-14-2022, 10:49 AM
 
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I love this standing order BS. Trump thinks he can just make up his own rules and we all have to abide by them. Why? Because Trump said so! I see him stamping his fat little foot and throwing a toddler temper tantrum when he is told he doesn't get to invent laws to cover up his crimes. The hubris is off the charts.
Seems the only one stamping their feet and throwing a temper tantrum is you. Do you think when any POTUS or anyone else in the government who uses a standing order means that they are inventing laws? wow. the left is truly going down in flames.
 
Old 08-14-2022, 10:52 AM
 
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A trump lawyer wrote a letter to DOJ attesting no classified materials were at mar a lago. That was not true and that lawyer is looking at serious criminal charges
That was covered in page 4 of the warrant.
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Old 08-14-2022, 10:54 AM
 
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Or maybe the wheels of justice are turning the way we all should want them to—carefully and with extreme attention to detail. Let’s be grateful for that!
I've always had the greatest respect for those that serve in the FBI and in our other federal investigative agencies, have several of them in my extended family. 99% of the civil servants in those organizations take their oath to the Constitution very seriously. Regardless of who they are investigating.
 
Old 08-14-2022, 10:59 AM
 
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Seems the only one stamping their feet and throwing a temper tantrum is you. Do you think when any POTUS or anyone else in the government who uses a standing order means that they are inventing laws? wow. the left is truly going down in flames.
Show us the standing order that says any document Trump brings to the residence is automatically declassified. We'll wait.
 
Old 08-14-2022, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Beautiful NNJ
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The doj or the fbi? And it was comey (fbi) that said no prosecutor would bring this to court (paraphrased).
The FBI is part of the DOJ.
 
Old 08-14-2022, 11:01 AM
 
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Newsweek reports that the documents found at Trump's home contained payroll listings of US spies. Speculation surrounds the list and a $2 billion deal with Saudi Arabia and Kushner that raised eyebrows earlier this year.
 
Old 08-14-2022, 11:01 AM
 
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That was covered in page 4 of the warrant.
Note the "communications in any form" that is mentioned on page 4.

What is surprising to me is that in the attachments, there is no mention of electronic devices, storage devices or computers. Having had these documents in his possession for 18 months, Trump or his assistants would have had ample time to scan/digitize all of it.

It makes you wonder if they have already obtained it, since the odds of Trump having the smarts to encrypt such data are pretty slim.
 
Old 08-14-2022, 11:03 AM
 
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Newsweek reports that the documents found at Trump's home contained payroll listings of US spies. Speculation surrounds the list and a $2 billion deal with Saudi Arabia and Kushner that raised eyebrows earlier this year.
I’m taking this with a HUGE grain of salt. Newsweek, ‘nuff said. (Not that I don’t think the Kushner deal stinks to high heaven, mind you.)
 
Old 08-14-2022, 11:03 AM
 
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A fact that’s being conveniently ignored by the Trump defenders.

The 3 laws cited in the warrant do not require the documents to be classified to be a crime.

The documents were the property of the United States Government. Just keeping the documents is a violation. If Trump destroyed or altered documents, that’s a more serious crime. The question of classified material is another issue.

Those wanting to bring Hillary into it:

1) The issue with Hillary was with e-mails, some that were classified after the fact, not original documents.

2) Trump is potentially chargeable under the Presidential Records Act, which obviously doesn’t apply to Hillary.
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