Mar a lago raided by the fbi (retired, state, status)

[berdee]

Originally Posted by trobesmom

Trump is the plaintiff. The burden is on him.

The 11th Circuit deemed that classified or declassified, those 100 documents that the DOJ wanted did not belong to Trump.

And, the 11th Circuit said that he made it clear that he doesn't want them. *shrug*.

[berdee]

Originally Posted by ssmaster

This is not the DOJs criminal investigation
Trump filed this civil motion he is the plaintiff
The 11th circuit panel and dearie have all slammed trump for not presenting evidence
This is the opinion of 3 republican appointed judges and 1 democratic appointed judge.

Are you saying they are wrong about the law and you are right?

The DOJ should have presented that information regarding IF they are classified or not when they'd first pointed the finger.

[berdee]

Originally Posted by trobesmom

There is no "settling" the matter at this point. Trump decided to file a suit in response, so the burden of proof of whatever he's alleging is up to him.

Settling? where did that come from?

A response? The proof should have been presented before any response.

[trobesmom]

Originally Posted by berdee

The DOJ should have presented that information regarding IF they are classified or not when they'd first pointed the finger.

They did. In the affidavit from whence the search warrant came.

[Marlow]

Originally Posted by berdee

I didn't say they were. I said they were the first to point the finger, when they'd raided Trump and leaked or stated some things. It should have been up to the DOJ to be the first to settle the matter, not the person who they'd pointed the fingers at.

What do you mean the DOJ should be first to settle the matter? They haven't even indicted him yet. The DOJ seized documents, Trump is seeking the return of some of them and Dearie is overseeing that process.

If they indict him and take it to trial, it will be years before it's all "settled."

[loves2read]

Originally Posted by berdee

The DOJ should have presented that information regarding IF they are classified or not when they'd first pointed the finger.

You are wrong
Trump is asserting something NOT in evidence
If he wants to claim they are not classified, he has to show valid evidence the docs ARE declassified
You know he has to IF he expects to get any relief
Would YOU buy a diamond someone claims is 2 carats, FL (flawless) for top $$$ w/o getting another appraisal?
You are asking to be cheated if you do
Trump is claiming he declassified…let him prove it…
He made the claim out of court
See if he has the cojones to do it where it counts—IN court
He won’t

[ssmaster]

Originally Posted by berdee

At this point who knows, you certainly don't.


You mean, like when y'all rely on unproven anonymous sourced material, and post those things as fact?

The doj warrant spells out the evidence criminal activity.

Judge reinhart approved of the doj activities

Judge dearie supported the DOJ

The 11th circuit panel of 2 republican appointed judges and 1 democratic appointed judge approved the doj actions

Your position is not consistent with the rule of law

[ssmaster]

Originally Posted by berdee

From everything I'd read, classified docs that had been declassified still carry the classification marks, showing that it had once been classified. If you're claiming that's false and that they don't then cite your source.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/32/2001.25

As judge dearie pointed out unless trump presents evidence otherwise and the documents aren’t marked:


Markings shall be uniformly and conspicuously applied to leave no doubt about the declassified status of the information and who authorized the declassification.

(b) The following markings shall be applied to records, or copies of records, regardless of media:

(1) The word, “Declassified;”

(2) The identity of the declassification authority, by name and position, or by personal identifier, or the title and date of the declassification guide. If the identity of the declassification authority must be protected, a personal identifier may be used or the information may be retained in agency files.

(3) The date of declassification; and

(4) The overall classification markings that appear on the cover page or first page shall be lined with an “X” or straight line. An example might appear as:

SECRET
Declassified by David Smith, Chief, Division 5, August 17, 2008

THEY ARE CLASSIFIED

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by berdee

At this point who knows, you certainly don't.


You mean, like when y'all rely on unproven anonymous sourced material, and post those things as fact?

Bingo….just more assumptions, allegations, speculation, etc…, to get him. After 6 years and counting you’d think they’d have something. Geez.

[berdee]

Originally Posted by ssmaster

As judge dearie pointed out unless trump presents evidence otherwise and the documents aren’t marked:

Dearie may have made some noise about the classification status, but he never stated he would not look at the classified documents.

Dearie recently requested a retired judge, who has TS clearance, to assist him in going through the 11,000 documents.

Seems Dearie will be thorough in the job that he's been tasked with and will not be blowing off a part of it just because the DOJ says something.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts/8083441001/