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Old 08-12-2022, 01:08 PM
 
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Having everyone with their own forces.........might be a good thing for the people.
I see your point but when I say the extreme left wants one federal police they don't want local police departments either. That's why I mention them using federal agents in a management role in the early stages of such a structure that will never happen.

But yes too much standardizing allows no room for discretion and one size does not fit all. But the problem with any big organization including corporations it's too easy for a location where people do things their own way and is not discovered for years. Their practices could very easily remain unseen for decades in some cases.
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Old 08-12-2022, 01:20 PM
 
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The armed agents are the ones that arrest cartel members for tax fraud, arrest mafia members for tax fraud, and anyone else who has committed a Federal crime related to taxation. The agents that arrested Al Capone for tax evasion would be armed IRS special agents these days. The doctors in Florida who commit Medicare fraud in the millions are arrested by armed IRS special agents when the doctors are charged with evading taxes on the money they stole.

Who did you think arrested criminals who violate tax laws? This is not paperwork mistakes, or late filing, this is willfully violating tax laws by committing various types of fraud, evasion, and money laundering.
So we’re told. Where are the specifics i.e. annual number of armed takedowns of “tax evaders”, criteria for armed agent intervention, lost revenue due to inadequate manpower?
If you're going to make the case, dont show up repeating talking points like the rest of the NPC’s on the thread

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Old 08-12-2022, 02:13 PM
 
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Why does the IRS need guns at all?

Why not just simplify the tax code?
Simplifying the tax code is a responsibility of Congress, not the IRS. The IRS is the Executive Branch agency that has been assigned responsibility to enforce tax laws, create regulations for following tax laws, and advising on possible updates to tax laws, but the IRS does not write the laws.

Even if the tax code was simplified, the IRS would still have armed agents to investigate tax crimes and arrest criminals involved in tax crimes, like cartels, organized crime, money launderers, etc. Those folks will still be committing crimes under a simplified tax code.

Do you want IRS agents who are arresting money laundering organizations to do so unarmed?
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Old 08-12-2022, 02:16 PM
 
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Time for flat tax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-12-2022, 02:18 PM
 
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So we’re told. Where are the specifics i.e. annual number of armed takedowns of “tax evaders”, criteria for armed agent intervention, lost revenue due to inadequate manpower?
If you're going to make the case, dont show up repeating talking points like the rest of the NPC’s on the thread
Here's the IRS 2021 Criminal Investigations Annual Report https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p3583.pdf
I'll let you read that on your own. It describes some of the major crimes investigated and prosecuted.
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Old 08-12-2022, 02:24 PM
 
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Forget about the number of agents they're hiring for a minute....

Why does the IRS need armed agents "willing to use deadly force" and 5 million rounds of ammo?

And for those of you who argued for years that taxation is not enforced at gunpoint......

What say you now?
They got Al Capone on tax evasion. A violent gangster. Sounds like they need guns for criminal organizations involved in money laundering for activities like drug dealing, prostitution, extortion and illegal gambling.
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Old 08-12-2022, 02:42 PM
 
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Will they be hiring foreign contractors to be these armed special agents? Maybe some Ukrainians, Syrians, Chinese, Pakistanis, Mexicans. I'm sure even some Russians.
" Hello today, citizen. You are now having your accounts in the bank seized because you are owing the IRS money in a judgement against you. And I will be having to have access to your computer. "
Imagine a spam caller you get 5 times a day but sitting in front of you and armed.
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Old 08-12-2022, 02:47 PM
 
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Sure hope it's not something to do with some kind of coming 'reset' of the monetary system. Like switching to crypto. That could cause some panic, if it's done suddenly.

And what's going on with physical coin and paper money? Why do I see some stores only accepting bank cards? A sign says low on cash. They can't get cash from their local bank?

And only a few self checkout machines at my Wallmrt accept/give cash now. All the others are card only.
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Old 08-12-2022, 04:30 PM
 
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Simplifying the tax code is a responsibility of Congress, not the IRS. The IRS is the Executive Branch agency that has been assigned responsibility to enforce tax laws, create regulations for following tax laws, and advising on possible updates to tax laws, but the IRS does not write the laws.

Even if the tax code was simplified, the IRS would still have armed agents to investigate tax crimes and arrest criminals involved in tax crimes, like cartels, organized crime, money launderers, etc. Those folks will still be committing crimes under a simplified tax code.

Do you want IRS agents who are arresting money laundering organizations to do so unarmed?



And who's passing legislation to double the size of the IRS and arm more agents?

The responsibility of actually arresting those engaged in criminal behavior doesn't have to fall to the IRS.....

Again, it just goes to prove that taxation is enforced at gunpoint.
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Old 08-12-2022, 05:49 PM
 
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And who's passing legislation to double the size of the IRS and arm more agents?

The responsibility of actually arresting those engaged in criminal behavior doesn't have to fall to the IRS.....

Again, it just goes to prove that taxation is enforced at gunpoint.
Regardless of who is enforcing the laws, taxation, like everything else, is enforced at gunpoint.

The reason the IRS does its own enforcement is because that's where the Federal agents with the relevant skill sets work. If the FBI was doing the enforcing, there would be 2,500 additional FBI agents, and they would probably be embedded in the IRS.

In addition, I have to assume that much of the initial impetus for starting an investigation is based on information in tax returns. The IRS can't just turn that data over to other agencies for action.

What is your solution? Who would you have doing the enforcement?
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