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This "tough guy" crap is the most annoying thing about Trumpers.
When I was growing up most of these "tough guy" types were Democrats (in the south). I was annoyed by them then.
Now they are all Trump loving Republicans. Same type of guys. And while Lefties have their fair share of annoying types. Nothing is more annoying than a white guy who thinks he is a bad a$$ and won't shut up.
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Most violent crimes are committed by young males, around age 18 to 34 or so. But males of any age tend to have more of an interest in violence than females.
I believe this is how we are programmed as a species. Males had the job of defending the tribe, while females focused on protecting helpless babies.
The instinct to nurture and protect a small helpless creature is stronger in women. The instinct to ignore pain and danger and battle enemies is stronger in men.
These are obvious facts. But progressive ideology has been hiding from these facts for a while now. Instead of admiring the natural toughness of typical males, they want to turn men into psychological women.
Toughness and the ability to tolerate pain is not valued anymore. The same person who cries about how badly the Native Americans were treated by the settlers would be appalled by the extreme toughness of male Native Americans back then.
I believe the Trump phenomenon is largely motivated by a desire for male toughness, both from men and from women who love men.
Maybe one reason progressives hate Trump so much is his tough guy persona. And that might be one reason his followers love him so much.
I agree this is a (if not the) major reason why Trump's style is so popular with so many people, even aside from the "substance" of his positions - which is precisely the problem.
A lot - if not most - Trump supporters operate from the same old Social Darwinist warped, distorted interpretation of evolution that's been around since the mid 19th century. The gladiator match model is an extremely simplistic understanding of how evolution works. These days, its only an elementary school boy's interpretation of it.
Several reasons why "toughness is the measure of all respect-worthiness" basebrain impulse is bogus.
*Ignores the unique details that separate humans from other animals (our overall portfolio of traits that allow us to discover fire, make spears, imagine better ways of doing things -- and even make the Internet, genetic engineering, and the James Webb Space Telescope).
*Shoehorns survival rules for a Stone Age physical environment (or at latest the 1910's pre-mechanical-overall wealthy Western World's rural areas) into an Industrial Age physical environment (even rural areas in the West since 1920 had both civilians and law enforcement with telephones, radio, automobiles, elaborate laws, etc. to better hold lawbreakers accountable for their acts. Not to mention a general population's way of life that started to approach the modern type: mass education, scientific awareness, quality and knowledge of medicine, beginnings of psychology, etc.). Even this is just for century-ago industrial age technology at latest. It's even more true for today's Digital Age environment, plus the myriad WMD's it has.
*The dog-eat-dog paradigm works against even the best survivor's own best interests ("best survivors" meaning the physically strongest/best fighters, bravest, and most "animal cunning"/"street smart"). If dog-eat-dog gladiator match is the rule, then even the top 1% of 1% will have to divert mental, physical, and emotional energies watching their back and overall "sleep with one eye open" - so as to prevent people from knocking them off their pedestal at best, outright kill them at worst. The same goes even for their own children and spouse. That diverts personal energies from more productive or otherwise culturally redeeming activities. This is a lose-lose for both the "Alpha" and their society.
And this is just the warm-up of why I think Social Darwinist type nature arguments are simple-minded.
The OP makes it sound like early humans spent most of their time in open warfare. I'm skeptical that was the case. Most of the time hunter-gatherer humans likely were busy taking care of survival needs, and that's the environment for which we evolved. Women actually provided the majority of the calories for the tribe. Were the men standing around to defend them? Unlikely.
Trump is more a product of an agricultural society.
Trump may not be what our own personal interpretations of a so called "Tough guy" are. But he was ballsy and he had leadership qualities and said things that people could relate with. For once we had someone willing to say "America first' or "China is eating our lunch and we are letting them get away with it".
I also believe that Trump gained the support of many of the "Macho" building trades people like the Iron Workers, Boilermakers, Dock Builders and Operating Engineers is because they saw him as one of their own. He might not have been out in field working with them shoulder to shoulder but he served as a leader on many buildings and casinos and other projects. He spoke their language.
The OP makes it sound like early humans spent most of their time in open warfare. I'm skeptical that was the case. Most of the time hunter-gatherer humans likely were busy taking care of survival needs, and that's the environment for which we evolved. Women actually provided the majority of the calories for the tribe. Were the men standing around to defend them? Unlikely.
Trump is more a product of an agricultural society.
I would say Trump is more a product of a spoiled brat society.
Most violent crimes are committed by young males, around age 18 to 34 or so. But males of any age tend to have more of an interest in violence than females.
I believe this is how we are programmed as a species. Males had the job of defending the tribe, while females focused on protecting helpless babies.
The instinct to nurture and protect a small helpless creature is stronger in women. The instinct to ignore pain and danger and battle enemies is stronger in men.
These are obvious facts. But progressive ideology has been hiding from these facts for a while now. Instead of admiring the natural toughness of typical males, they want to turn men into psychological women.
Toughness and the ability to tolerate pain is not valued anymore. The same person who cries about how badly the Native Americans were treated by the settlers would be appalled by the extreme toughness of male Native Americans back then.
I believe the Trump phenomenon is largely motivated by a desire for male toughness, both from men and from women who love men.
Maybe one reason progressives hate Trump so much is his tough guy persona. And that might be one reason his followers love him so much.
Uh, yeah. Trump talking about grabbing women by the p*ssy is NOT the kind of "toughness" that I would be welcoming into my airspace. Grab me like that and you'll be going to jail for attempted rape.
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The OP makes it sound like early humans spent most of their time in open warfare. I'm skeptical that was the case. Most of the time hunter-gatherer humans likely were busy taking care of survival needs, and that's the environment for which we evolved. Women actually provided the majority of the calories for the tribe. Were the men standing around to defend them? Unlikely.
Trump is more a product of an agricultural society.
This is very much up in the air. Some will agree with you, but I have read several places where we were more violent in the past. One estimate placed it at 10% the number of men who died by murder by another human. But it's been far from a straight-line journey from the Stone Age to today. Murder rates likely rose up until the Middle Age - Early Modern times (i.e.between the Renaissance and the start of the Industrial Revolution). Even in the early 20th century, rural areas of Central Appalachia had murder rates that make even modern Detroit, Baltimore, and New Orleans look like sanctuaries by comparison.
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