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Old 09-29-2022, 03:43 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Really? The Americans are suffering because of these policies because they are drawn up by the elite who don't care or understand the effect on people.

Europe is reverting back to coal, so the liberal idiots can come up with any policy they choose. People will do what they have to in order to survive.

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/...rn-off-the-gas
Oh, the elite know exactly what they are doing. They plan these bills to strangle the competition. Right now, the biggest competition is land (homes) in desirable areas and getting from point A to point B in a timely manner. More bills that reduce the number of land owners and those on the road, more gravy for the elite.

 
Old 09-29-2022, 04:10 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Ellwood View Post
Really? The Americans are suffering because of these policies because they are drawn up by the elite who don't care or understand the effect on people.

Europe is reverting back to coal, so the liberal idiots can come up with any policy they choose. People will do what they have to in order to survive.

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/...rn-off-the-gas
Leftist kooks indoctrinated with this climate rubbish are the mindless fools the globalists are using to bankrupt America.
That is their primary goal, to make all the dominos fall into place for their one world governance wet dreams.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 06:12 AM
 
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It was a bipartisan vote. 21 Republicans voted for it. So much for "the stupidity of the left."
The majority of Congress is inept and unqualified to make these decision. Doesn't matter which party.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The majority of Congress is inept and unqualified to make these decision. Doesn't matter which party.
The republican party is finally coming around to accept the science of climate change, there is still hope.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Sounds like another loss for the American people.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Stupidity of the liberal elites.

This is probably more accurate.

Do you have any clue about the details of this bill?

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The Kigali Amendment : A Little-Known UN Treaty Screws America And The Senate Can’t Wait To Pass It

The Kigali Amendment restricts production of hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs) based on concerns that they contribute to (what else?) climate change.

The problem is that HFCs are the refrigerants needed to run most home air conditioners, vehicle air conditioners and many millions of refrigeration systems used by businesses like restaurants and supermarkets. Replenishing HFCs lost from a leak will get costlier as supplies dwindle and prices rise.

In fact, it is already happening. Thanks to domestic HFCs limits imposed by the Environmental Protection Agency that took effect this year, the price of the refrigerant used in home air conditioners shot up 4-fold, and as a result certain repairs now cost hundreds more. Repair bills will likely rise in future summers as the HFC quotas get more stringent.

The Kigali Amendment would tighten the screws even further. Worst of all, unlike domestic legislation which can be amended or repealed, treaties are very hard to reverse. Thus, ratification of Kigali would very likely mean no Congressional recourse even if consumer costs skyrocket in the years ahead. In effect, the treaty would cede control of the issue to the UN.


So that last paragraph seems to indicate that we are subjecting ourselves further to international regulations.
Maybe you aren't aware that we can back out of any agreement as we did with the Iran Deal and the Paris Accords, be careful how you toss around the word stupid.

This isn't the first time there was an international agreement in 1987 to address the ozone depletion which was a big success.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol
 
Old 09-29-2022, 07:06 AM
 
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Oh, year. Great job!

The alternatives are highly toxic to humans or extremely flammable.

They used to use ammonia. You know why it fell into disuse? Toxic to humans. Same with CO2.

And butane is flammable.
Ammonia is still used in places. RV propane fridges and ice-skating rinks come to mind.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 07:49 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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I'm happy to see the U.S. finally joining the rest of the world in facing this issue.
You mean the 150 nations that are exempt?

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Shockingly, the UN classifies China as one of the 150 developing nations under the Kigali Amendment, and extends far more lenient treatment to it. https://yournews.com/2022/09/18/2416...crews-america/
 
Old 09-29-2022, 07:56 AM
 
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Under the radar as will be another treaty/climate meeting right around election time in Egypt.

But yes the 21 Republicans that voted for it. If not another smoke filled backroom deal another example of what happens after throwing some hot button emotional issues at RINOs.

Is this the work of "special climate envoy' Kerry?
 
Old 09-29-2022, 08:03 AM
 
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It does not appear to be doing anything to ban or restrict fossil fuels which the world needs for energy.

Not much different than old ban of the old AC freon.

As long as there is a substitute like the new refrigerant way back in the 90s I believe we should be fine as it is a small amount.

Just keep fossil fuels around (natural gas, unleaded 88 and regular 10% ethanol gas Octane 87) for energy except coal and focus on cleaner extraction and drilling and refining methods rather than the most unrealistic impossible pure green energy anytime in the next 20-30 years.
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