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Old 10-04-2022, 08:23 AM
 
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How about everyone save for their own healthcare and they can benefit from their own money whenever they want?

This weird obsession with giving your money to some faceless bureaucrat who then inevitably pisses it away is kind of sickening in and of itself.
This is the basic reason the Pubs have no solution. HC needs are very unpredictable long term, and very variable based on a whole host of factors. The heaviest being age. And in order to care for our elderly, the rest have to kick in for that to work. Same with the uninsurables.
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Old 10-04-2022, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Interesting that the reason that Republican have aabandoned the repeal process is because much of the Act is working for their voters.
Not it's not. It's made it more expensive. It's like you're being paid to not care about the truth.
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Old 10-04-2022, 09:35 AM
 
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We are the only advanced country that lacks national coverage, the republicans had no plan. Easy to tear up the ACA, Climate and Iran Agreements and others but the GOP has no plan for addressing anything other than tax cuts.
There is no advancing in the ACA. It is basically a handout to the Healthcare industry. Maybe you don't remembered the PR stunt by the Healthcare industry and Obama, where they both said ACA will bankrupt the Healthcare industry and people will run. After passing the ACA, Healthcare's stock prices double, triples. Of course, so as the premium we have to pay.

I remembered my family play used to be 4k/year, after passing the ACA, it went to 8k.

And we don't have true health insurance in this country. It is basically a 3rd party paying program. Everyone benefits except the customer.
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Old 10-04-2022, 09:48 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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I don't see they had a choice. The Fed nationalized health insurance. It gets repealed and there's nothing else.
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Old 10-04-2022, 01:55 PM
 
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This is why people fought so hard against it in 2010. Everyone knew it would never be repealed. It would do nothing but grow, consume, destroy, etc.

And here we are.

Once something has been nationalized, it almost never gets "re-privatized."

And the Republicans have been feckless cowards since the day Hoover took over from Coolidge, so anyone who ever voted for a Republican in the belief they'd repeal a nationalized slush fund like ObamaCare was utterly retarded.
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Old 10-04-2022, 02:14 PM
 
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Not it's not. It's made it more expensive. It's like you're being paid to not care about the truth.
It depends on who you are. Millions are relying on Obamacare for insurance coverage right now. We had it for 6 years and it was a godsend. As has been said, the GOP has no plan. They've had years to put it out there if they did.

There are currently 35 million people on it.
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/...-care-act.html
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Old 10-04-2022, 02:20 PM
 
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There are currently 35 million people on it.
...which means there are 300 million NOT on it.

Numbers can work in two directions, just sayin'
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Old 10-04-2022, 02:25 PM
 
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...which means there are 300 million NOT on it.

Numbers can work in two directions, just sayin'
Of course. What does that have to do with 35 million people having Obamacare and the GOP having no plan?
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Old 10-04-2022, 02:41 PM
 
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Of course. What does that have to do with 35 million people having Obamacare and the GOP having no plan?
Nothing. Just pointing out that healthcare was nationalized so that ~9% of the insured population could have a slightly easier and more expensive way to get a high deductible, high premium health care plan, which they could have gotten before ObamaCare, along with the 300 million people who found a non-government way to be insured.

Just musing...
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Old 10-04-2022, 03:29 PM
 
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Obama care is a straight line descendant of Nixon's universal health insurance plan. Obamacare was literally the Republican plan.

If you want true reform, than the end of employer based health insurance needs to be done. Employment and health insurance needs to be separated from each other. What I would like to see employers having a choice of offering health insurance or directly subsidizing the premiums of their employees on the marketplace and still allow the employees to use pre tax dollars.
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