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Old 10-09-2022, 04:05 PM
 
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Any trans (or any gender non conforming person, kid or otherwise) considering drugs or physical modification should only be approved after extensive work with the appropriate team and after taking a decent amount of time to be sure, with full understanding of possible ramifications and clear grasp that nothing is a magic bullet, everything is work, and you may still be unfulfilled.
...and there's no going back.....you can't grow out of it....and you can't change your mind later

they can't put you back together the same way you used to be

 
Old 10-09-2022, 04:09 PM
 
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...and there's no going back.....you can't grow out of it....and you can't change your mind later

they can't put you back together the same way you used to be
I keep looking for someone to explain this:

If it's not a mental illness ... or any illness at all ... and is PERFECTLY NORMAL ... why are drugs and surgeries necessary? Why are there demands for insurance and government coverage of these "treatments"? Since it's not an illness?

Never get an answer.
 
Old 10-09-2022, 04:10 PM
 
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...and there's no going back.....you can't grow out of it....and you can't change your mind later

they can't put you back together the same way you used to be
Indeed, which is why it should never be done as a money making exercise.

In fact, that applies to all care really, if you think about it.

But not to digress, it also kills the proper care of people who need help.

It’s truly disgraceful.
 
Old 10-09-2022, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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I keep looking for someone to explain this:

If it's not a mental illness ... or any illness at all ... and is PERFECTLY NORMAL ... why are drugs and surgeries necessary? Why are there demands for insurance and government coverage of these "treatments"? Since it's not an illness?

Never get an answer.

At the rate things are moving, the government will be forcing insurers to pay for surgeries to turn people into all sorts of things they were never intended to be... Cats, dogs, horses, plants, the sky is the limit. And if you question any of it, democrats will call you a racist, bigot, misogynist, Hitler, etc, etc.
 
Old 10-09-2022, 04:22 PM
 
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I keep looking for someone to explain this:

If it's not a mental illness ... or any illness at all ... and is PERFECTLY NORMAL ... why are drugs and surgeries necessary? Why are there demands for insurance and government coverage of these "treatments"? Since it's not an illness?

Never get an answer.
There are many circumstances where people have surgeries, usually cosmetic, for various conditions that you wouldn’t consider an illness.

For example, when my child was a baby, they had a huge compound hemangioma growing out of their forehead.

It looked like a giant egg bruise that caused people to gasp and exclaim “oh my god what happened to the baby???” when they saw it.

It may have resolved completely on its own but it may not have, so at 8 months we elected to get a specialist plastic surgeon to remove it.

Now there’s just a small light scar, which is preferable to the anguish that would have caused our child growing up with that thing growing out of their head.

This was not an “illness” and is normal in that a percentage of babies develop hemangiomas over time, some people live with them and some choose not too.

They aren’t ill. They aren’t mentally ill, and the treatment isn’t to cure them of an illness but to improve quality of life.

Quality of life is the goal, not a “cure”.
 
Old 10-09-2022, 05:16 PM
 
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There are many circumstances where people have surgeries, usually cosmetic, for various conditions that you wouldn’t consider an illness.

For example, when my child was a baby, they had a huge compound hemangioma growing out of their forehead.

It looked like a giant egg bruise that caused people to gasp and exclaim “oh my god what happened to the baby???” when they saw it.

It may have resolved completely on its own but it may not have, so at 8 months we elected to get a specialist plastic surgeon to remove it.

Now there’s just a small light scar, which is preferable to the anguish that would have caused our child growing up with that thing growing out of their head.

This was not an “illness” and is normal in that a percentage of babies develop hemangiomas over time, some people live with them and some choose not too.

They aren’t ill. They aren’t mentally ill, and the treatment isn’t to cure them of an illness but to improve quality of life.

Quality of life is the goal, not a “cure”.
It's an objective medical condition that can be life-threatening in certain circumstances and has proven, effective ways to remedy it.

Transgenderism is not and does not. But people sure try really hard to pretend it has both. While claiming it's not a mental health issue, a physical condition, or a medical condition and is perfectly normal.

I doubt any healthcare professional would say a hemangioma is 'normal' because it isn't. But people are sure clamoring on that transgenderism is normal... and then in the next breath advocating for all sorts of treatments.

BIG HINT. Billboard size. Transgenderism is not normal. It is a mental illness.
 
Old 10-09-2022, 05:23 PM
 
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At the rate things are moving, the government will be forcing insurers to pay for surgeries to turn people into all sorts of things they were never intended to be... Cats, dogs, horses, plants, the sky is the limit. And if you question any of it, democrats will call you a racist, bigot, misogynist, Hitler, etc, etc.
...and that's the conundrum

If you identify as something.....does it make you that something
 
Old 10-09-2022, 05:34 PM
 
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It's an objective medical condition that can be life-threatening in certain circumstances and has proven, effective ways to remedy it.

Transgenderism is not and does not. But people sure try really hard to pretend it has both. While claiming it's not a mental health issue, a physical condition, or a medical condition and is perfectly normal.

I doubt any healthcare professional would say a hemangioma is 'normal' because it isn't. But people are sure clamoring on that transgenderism is normal... and then in the next breath advocating for all sorts of treatments.

BIG HINT. Billboard size. Transgenderism is not normal. It is a mental illness.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

But it's just your opinion.

I watched an interesting documentary on transgender indigenous people in Fiji. They dress as women but they interact equally with both male and female social groups and are respected members of their communities.

They are happy people who are accepted and loved. They aren't mentally ill and no one treats them as if they are, it's just long been accepted that some people are not binary and can switch socially between genders. It's a normal part of their lives.

This is a modern society not some primitive tribe.

Other gendered people have long lived in indigenous communities who had no issue with it until it was deemed undesirable by religious third parties.

Just like gay people, there are people with differences that don't warrant a mental illness diagnoses, and whose main source of grief is the treatment of them by the rest of society, IMHO.
 
Old 10-09-2022, 05:53 PM
 
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That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

But it's just your opinion.

I watched an interesting documentary on transgender indigenous people in Fiji. They dress as women but they interact equally with both male and female social groups and are respected members of their communities.

They are happy people who are accepted and loved. They aren't mentally ill and no one treats them as if they are, it's just long been accepted that some people are not binary and can switch socially between genders. It's a normal part of their lives.

This is a modern society not some primitive tribe.

Other gendered people have long lived in indigenous communities who had no issue with it until it was deemed undesirable by religious third parties.

Just like gay people, there are people with differences that don't warrant a mental illness diagnoses, and whose main source of grief is the treatment of them by the rest of society, IMHO.
If you saw a documentary on cannibalism where the the cannibals were super happy, would you be stating that cannibalism is a wonderful way to live?

Just because something happens does not mean it is good or right. Or healthy.

An anorexic would be perfectly happy starving herself to death. Is anorexia awesome? Of course not.

A man who believes he is a woman and a a woman who believes she is a man is mentally ill.

No amount of illogical "examples" changes that fact.
 
Old 10-09-2022, 06:22 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The article below is about a nearly 100k bill for gender surgery. Personally I think the patient took advantage of the insurance company, but that’s a side issue:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...gery-goes-awry

A lot of health information comes from doctors and hospitals who provide the service. I don’t see how they can be objective with a 100k per procedure motivation.
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