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Old 10-25-2022, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Sao Paulo has around .5 homicides per 100,000 per month.

So, if Jackson had the same homicide rate as Sao Paulo it would have around 6 homicides so far instead the current 115 homicides.

If Birmingham had the same homicide rate as Bolsonaro's Sao Paulo, Birmingham would have a total of 8 homicides so far instead of 126 homicides.

https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/no...z-estudo.ghtml

https://www.synergiaconsultoria.com....bge-estimates/

https://www.wlbt.com/2022/10/25/1-wo...ide-count-115/

https://www.bhamwiki.com/w/List_of_B...icides_in_2022
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Old 10-26-2022, 03:35 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Sao Paulo has around .5 homicides per 100,000 per month.

So, if Jackson had the same homicide rate as Sao Paulo it would have around 6 homicides so far instead the current 115 homicides.

If Birmingham had the same homicide rate as Bolsonaro's Sao Paulo, Birmingham would have a total of 8 homicides so far instead of 126 homicides.

https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/no...z-estudo.ghtml

https://www.synergiaconsultoria.com....bge-estimates/

https://www.wlbt.com/2022/10/25/1-wo...ide-count-115/

https://www.bhamwiki.com/w/List_of_B...icides_in_2022
If the United States had the same gun controls and number of civilian guns per capita that Brazil does, it could very arguably have a lower homicide rate. Apples to oranges, by a long shot.

If, OTOH, you are arguing for complete gun registration, elimination of private ownership of handguns, and raising the age of ownership to 25, I agree - it would be a highly beneficial move.

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Old 10-26-2022, 04:52 AM
 
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If the United States had the same gun controls and number of civilian guns per capita that Brazil does, it could very arguably have a lower homicide rate. Apples to oranges, by a long shot.

If, OTOH, you are arguing for complete gun registration, elimination of private ownership of handguns, and raising the age of ownership to 25, I agree - it would be a highly beneficial move.
Or just as probable, time traveling backwards to prevent the invention of gunpowder
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Old 10-26-2022, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Or just as probable, time traveling backwards to prevent the invention of gunpowder
That’s the answer to a different question. There is no ambiguity comparing the two countries. Brazil has fewer homicides because they have far fewer firearms in private hands, all of them are registered, only adults can own them, handguns are specifically banned from private ownership, and gun regulations are a lot stronger.

Brazil’s gun control gets results according to the OP. Where does that leave the United States…?
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Old 10-26-2022, 05:50 AM
 
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If the United States had the same gun controls and number of civilian guns per capita that Brazil does, it could very arguably have a lower homicide rate. Apples to oranges, by a long shot.

If, OTOH, you are arguing for complete gun registration, elimination of private ownership of handguns, and raising the age of ownership to 25, I agree - it would be a highly beneficial move.

You lefties look at the 2nd amendment with the same hunger that a lecher looks at a woman breast feeding in public.
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Old 10-26-2022, 06:05 AM
 
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If the United States had the same gun controls and number of civilian guns per capita that Brazil does, it could very arguably have a lower homicide rate. Apples to oranges, by a long shot.

If, OTOH, you are arguing for complete gun registration, elimination of private ownership of handguns, and raising the age of ownership to 25, I agree - it would be a highly beneficial move.
It absolutely would...for the criminals. They prefer their victims unarmed.


FWIW, I would like to see the age of ownership raised to 25, along with the voting age. With some exceptions though.
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Old 10-26-2022, 06:12 AM
 
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You lefties look at the 2nd amendment with the same hunger that a lecher looks at a woman breast feeding in public.
Cool your jets. I've been a gun owner for more than 60 years, and worked as a gunsmith for four.

If you want to discuss me rather than the topic, please start a new thread.

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Old 10-26-2022, 06:14 AM
 
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It absolutely would...for the criminals. They prefer their victims unarmed.


FWIW, I would like to see the age of ownership raised to 25, along with the voting age. With some exceptions though.
How do you explain the difference in results between Brazil and the United States, if not the unrestricted availability of guns and the types of guns in private hands?
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Old 10-26-2022, 06:31 AM
 
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That’s the answer to a different question. There is no ambiguity comparing the two countries. Brazil has fewer homicides because they have far fewer firearms in private hands, all of them are registered, only adults can own them, handguns are specifically banned from private ownership, and gun regulations are a lot stronger.

Brazil’s gun control gets results according to the OP. Where does that leave the United States…?
Which is wrong.

More Legal Guns Reduced Crime in Brazil
Homicide fell 34% after Bolsonaro made firearms permits easier and cheaper.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-le...on-11656268995

The disarmament concept was officially introduced in Brazil in 1997, when the first effectively restrictive of gun-bearing law was enacted (bill # 9,437/97), through which the National System of Weapons-SINARM, intended for strict control of legal weapons circulation, was also created. A few years later, at the end of 2003, the law became even more restrictive, with the “Disarmament Statute”, which had as its major goal precisely to reduce the amount of murders in the country. It was, actually, putting into practice of a disarmament ideology drawn up by the UN long before, although without any proven positive example.

Obviously, it was to no avail. The murders, as seen, have not been reduced, but, on the contrary, they’ve reached their highest number, and what was said to be a magic solution became an unquestioned and grandiose failure. Establishing the prohibition of the possession, as well as carry-on, as a general rule, the Disarmament Statute began to take effect in 2004, the year in which 48,374 homicides were recorded in Brazil . Four years later, with the near extinction of the legal arms trade practice, the numbers came to 50,113 (2008) and since then, there have been on a upward climb until the record of 56,337, registered in 2012.


https://iapcar.org/brazilian-disarma...puted-failure/

Unfortunately though, with more individuals legally owning firearms, the suicide rate, and injuries/deaths due to negligence I'm sure will go up. That can be changed by addressing mental health, and safety campaigns. We used to have them growing up in school. I remember the police visiting in elementary school talking about firearms and what to do if we encountered them.
I grew up with firearms and ammo within arms reach from elementary school on up. Never once had an issue, and never once had a thought of shooting up a school.
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Old 10-26-2022, 06:33 AM
 
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How do you explain the difference in results between Brazil and the United States, if not the unrestricted availability of guns and the types of guns in private hands?
Brazil's gun control was a failure, and they are currently loosening up restrictions.

The usual suspects are always here to debate firearms and will never change their mind. Don't like it ? Start writing your elected officials, and start pushing to abolish the 2A.
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