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Old 11-15-2022, 11:52 AM
 
Location: A Beautiful DEEP RED State
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Lots of fe3elings.

What is your explanation for 2019 credit card debts. That we know people didn't pay off in 2020 or 2021....
Free money from 2008/2009 policy changes.

It was too cheap, in some people's minds, to pass up.

However, it remained manageable for them for many years.

The Biden/Democrat policies in 2021/22 caused a seismic shift. Rather than going back to work and reducing short term government handouts as planned once the vaccines were made available, Biden and the Democrats pushed multiple wasteful economic policies which encouraged people to NOT go back to work and flooded the system with money. Later Russia took advantage of weak American leadership, just like they did when Biden was VP, to invade another country again. A direct result of Biden being President. This created a worldwide problem. BIDEN cause that directly......well, with the help of the morons who voted for Big War!

Even prior to the election. Biden and the Democrats would not let up with trying to force even more money into the system, by buying votes with a direct bribe using student loan forgiveness.

Face it my friend, the absolute fact is the policies of Biden and the Democrats in 2021/22 have made things far worse than they would otherwise have been. Remember, Putin invaded when Biden was VP, NOT when Trump was P, and now again when Biden is P. THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT.

But it's okay. I don't expect you or anyone else on the left to hold Biden or the Democrats accountable for any of it. I simply accept you will deflect 100% of the blame onto others not on your team. It's simply what team blue does.
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Old 11-15-2022, 11:53 AM
 
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For me -- the historical data of 2019 speaks to Bernie Sanders big rant about how the economy was good for some but not many.

So in 2022 after the pandemic's impact on the economy, of course the debt is going to get worse before it gets better.

But why was it so bad.

And if prices come down -- you think the credit card debt is being paid off?
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Old 11-15-2022, 11:55 AM
 
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Free money from 2008/2009 policy changes.

It was too cheap, in some people's minds, to pass up.

However, it remained manageable for them for many years.

The Biden/Democrat policies in 2021/22 caused a seismic shift. Rather than going back to work and reducing short term government handouts as planned once the vaccines were made available, Biden and the Democrats pushed multiple wasteful economic policies which encouraged people to NOT go back to work and flooded the system with money. Later Russia took advantage of weak American leadership, just like he did when Biden as VP, to invade another country again. A direct result of Biden being President. This created a worldwide problem. BIDEN cause that directly......well, with the help of the morons who voted for Big War!

Even prior to the election. Biden and the Democrats would not let up with trying to force even more money into the system, by buying votes with a direct bribe using student loan forgiveness.

Face it my friend, the absolute fact is that the policies of Biden and the Democrats in 2021/22 have made things far worse than they would otherwise have been. Remember, Putin invaded when Biden was VP, NOT when Trump was P, and now again when Biden is P. THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT.

But it's okay. I don't expect you or anyone else on the left to hold Biden or the Democrats accountable for any of it. I simply accept you will deflect blame onto others.
It remained manageable? It was higher than it was in 2008. That means any little bump in the economy would have sent that debt higher.

Our unemployment rate was back to normal last year. People went back to work.

Face it my friend...your feelings about what happened need some numbers -- lol.

And so Americans were given hand outs and had exzta money so they didn't work so they used their credit cards...yeah no
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Old 11-15-2022, 11:55 AM
 
Location: In a perfect world winter does not exist
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I have no doubt 2024 will be a Newsom victory for President. I do think the Mega Maga bait will eventually die down and not last another 2 years till 2024. It will be a new boogie man, any ideas anyone what the new deflective will be.
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Old 11-15-2022, 12:01 PM
 
Location: A Beautiful DEEP RED State
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It remained manageable? It was higher than it was in 2008. That means any little bump in the economy would have sent that debt higher.

Our unemployment rate was back to normal last year. People went back to work.

Face it my friend...your feelings about what happened need some numbers -- lol.
The labor participation rate is lower than prior to the pandemic. That's factual data from the government.

Labor workforce participation rate is still WAY DOWN

Please stop being disingenuous, but I know you and others on the left can't help it.

You will do anything to avoid putting any blame on team blue for anything at all.
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Old 11-15-2022, 12:03 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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The labor participation rate is lower than prior to the pandemic. That's factual data from the government.

Labor workforce participation rate is still WAY DOWN

Please stop being disingenuous, but I know you and others on the left can't help it.

You will do anything to avoid putting any blame on team blue for anything at all.

So your argument is that people who can't afford to pay their bills, are choosing to stay home and not work?

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Old 11-15-2022, 12:12 PM
 
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Lots of fe3elings.

What is your explanation for 2019 credit card debts. That we know people didn't pay off in 2020 or 2021....
It's really rather simple. In 2019, income growth had been exceeding the cost of living for nearly a decade. In addition, interest rates for home mortgage loans and consumer loans were at their lowest levels in a century. The country was experiencing great prosperity and most people assumed the prosperity would continue forever. Jobs were plentiful. Interest rates near zero. Under such benign conditions, there was no reason (for many people) not to max out their credit card. Party hearty while times are good!

But then, along came the Wuhan Flu in 2020 which shut the country down. Then, Slow Joe and crew compounded the problems when he took office. The rest is (a sad) history.

An article from December 2019:

"After years of flat, negative or minimal movement, income growth has been outpacing the cost of living in recent years. While the cost of living has grown 19% in the past decade, the median household income has gone up 30%."

https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/hous...bt-study-2019/
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Old 11-15-2022, 12:14 PM
 
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And things just keep getting worse.

This is what people voted for and they are getting it good and hard, just like they deserve.

Household debt soars at fastest pace in 15 years as credit card use surges, Fed report says

"Debt has surged over the past year due to inflation running near its highest pace in more than 40 years and amid rising interest rates ."
Certain Americans are getting desperate.
I would say you fall in that category.
Do you agree?
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Old 11-15-2022, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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And things just keep getting worse.

This is what people voted for and they are getting it good and hard, just like they deserve.

Household debt soars at fastest pace in 15 years as credit card use surges, Fed report says

"Debt has surged over the past year due to inflation running near its highest pace in more than 40 years and amid rising interest rates ."
I don't think it hurt enough to cause enough people to vote for Republicans. Biden's emptying the Strategic Oil Reserve to help the Democrats did just that. We most likely will get a deeper recession in 2023, whether or not it's enough to change the course of politics is not clear.
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Old 11-15-2022, 02:06 PM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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I don't think it hurt enough to cause enough people to vote for Republicans. Biden's emptying the Strategic Oil Reserve to help the Democrats did just that. We most likely will get a deeper recession in 2023, whether or not it's enough to change the course of politics is not clear.
Not sure why it would. The President has minimal impact on whether a recession happens. Trump couldn't stop the one at the tail end of his Presidency (our last one).

Soft landings are difficult, and to control inflation the Fed will likely need to keep raising interest rates until they match the inflation rate. That's the general benchmark. That will likely trigger a recession. Nothing a President can do will change that.
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