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Old 12-02-2022, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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Exclusivity: Should trans - womxn be allowed to dominate/compete in real women sports?

In other words, should men dominate women sports? If yes, then, should women/girls even decide to participate in sports?



Those biological girls are going to lose against biological men, 100% of the time, every time.
Odd that you chose to use "dominate/compete" since those are two different concepts. You refer to transwomen as men, so that seems to suggest that they you mean adults who have not undergone any hormone treatment. Also, you think they will win 100% of the time, so that also suggests that they have not undergone any physical changes. Is that what you mean? Such a small percentage of people are trans and an even smaller percentage choose to participate in sport and excel at it, that I wonder why this is such an issue. Professional sports, there are or will be guideline, so I don't think we have to worry too much about it there. In schools, again, we're talking about a small number of trans students. There are so many benefits to participating in sports that I think we should be encouraging trans kids to participate. They deserve the benefits from the physical activity and the confidence it fosters just as much, if not more, than the other students. So few girls earn sports scholarships that I don't think that is the primary reason for participating in school sports anyway. At least it shouldn't be.
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Old 12-02-2022, 10:29 AM
 
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Yes, younger women are the primary proponents of the current transgender fad/mass hysteria.
If this is not what they want, then maybe they should re-examine their beliefs.
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:04 AM
 
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Exclusivity: Should trans - womxn be allowed to dominate/compete in real women sports?

In other words, should men dominate women sports? If yes, then, should women/girls even decide to participate in sports?



Those biological girls are going to lose against biological men, 100% of the time, every time.
I do think there are serious concerns with trans women who compete against women. I think each sport community has to have that open dialogue....and the athletes themselves.

Do you ban trans women from competing against women but allow trans men to compete?

I don't know.

Real dialogue needs to happen.

But be clear -- if a sporting community does adapt a policy of having a trans and non-binary division -- that will be criticized too.

For many it isn't about the 'fairness' or 'sportsmanship' it's just about NOT allowing trans/non-binary to be mainstreamed at amu costs, including setting up a separate league for trans/non-binary.
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:59 AM
 
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I do think there are serious concerns with trans women who compete against women. I think each sport community has to have that open dialogue....and the athletes themselves.

Do you ban trans women from competing against women but allow trans men to compete?

I don't know.

Real dialogue needs to happen.

But be clear -- if a sporting community does adapt a policy of having a trans and non-binary division -- that will be criticized too.

For many it isn't about the 'fairness' or 'sportsmanship' it's just about NOT allowing trans/non-binary to be mainstreamed at amu costs, including setting up a separate league for trans/non-binary.
I 100% agree with you.

The problem is that when they tried to have that dialogue, the very far left pro-Trans types and their weak willed synchophants started screaming bigot and transphobe at people and trying to get them fired\canceled.
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Old 12-02-2022, 12:20 PM
 
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I do think there are serious concerns with trans women who compete against women. I think each sport community has to have that open dialogue....and the athletes themselves.

Do you ban trans women from competing against women but allow trans men to compete?

I don't know.

Real dialogue needs to happen.

But be clear -- if a sporting community does adapt a policy of having a trans and non-binary division -- that will be criticized too.

For many it isn't about the 'fairness' or 'sportsmanship' it's just about NOT allowing trans/non-binary to be mainstreamed at amu costs, including setting up a separate league for trans/non-binary.
It really is about the fairness and sportsmanship. Letting trans woman compete against girls and women is really unfair.

I think the not buying into, accepting and mainstreaming the trans thing came later, after sports and private facilities were invaded by men. At some point people push back when they realize that going along with it just emboldened people to walk all over women and girls.
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Old 12-02-2022, 08:29 PM
 
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I do think there are serious concerns with trans women who compete against women. I think each sport community has to have that open dialogue....and the athletes themselves.

Do you ban trans women from competing against women but allow trans men to compete?

I don't know.

Real dialogue needs to happen.

But be clear -- if a sporting community does adapt a policy of having a trans and non-binary division -- that will be criticized too.

For many it isn't about the 'fairness' or 'sportsmanship' it's just about NOT allowing trans/non-binary to be mainstreamed at amu costs, including setting up a separate league for trans/non-binary.

Women's division for biological women. Open division for anyone: men, women, or trans. Trans men can not compete in any division if they are on male hormones as that is a banned substance.


Practically no one is trying to block trans people from competing because they are trans. There are advantages males have that are not eradicated any amount of hormone therapy. To say otherwise is a completely disingenuous attempt at re-framing the argument.
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Old 12-02-2022, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Portlandish, OR
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I was a d1 athlete in college and i say bring it on.
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Old 12-02-2022, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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If men started playing women's basketball, it would be an improvement, but keep them the hell away from women's volleyball or there will be hell to pay.
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Old 12-02-2022, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It really is about the fairness and sportsmanship. Letting trans woman compete against girls and women is really unfair.

I think the not buying into, accepting and mainstreaming the trans thing came later, after sports and private facilities were invaded by men. At some point people push back when they realize that going along with it just emboldened people to walk all over women and girls.
This is a small concern, Utah which put a ban in place because they had two trans girls. Other states likely have similar numbers. Some states put together a panel, I would bet that there aren’t 2 trans women dominatinfg in any state.

How many trans women are dominating sports in your state.
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Old 12-02-2022, 09:12 PM
 
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I would bet that there aren’t 2 trans women dominatinfg in any state.

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