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Remember how most people thought Japan was gonna rule in the 80's? The Japanese had their moments but they have given up the spot light. China is like that now. They are not going to be a super power.
Remember how most people thought Japan was gonna rule in the 80's? The Japanese had their moments but they have given up the spot light. China is like that now. They are not going to be a super power.
I don't think anyone actually believed that Japan was going to rule the world in the 1980's(it is the physical size of Montana with fewer natural resources), but Japan's industry was definitely outcompeting the United States, and their hyper-financialized economy was buying up large numbers of businesses in the United States.
The problem with Japan was that it was hurting the US economy and creating a national security threat during the Cold War. The United States forced Japan to sign the Plaza Accords which destroyed the Japanese economy and sent them into decades of recession.
The reason Japan signed the Plaza Accords is because it was highly dependent on the United States. Basically, it had no choice. The United States doesn't have the same leverage over China because their export markets are far more diverse and they are not militarily occupied by the United States.
The Soviet Union was never a peer to the United States. The only danger for the United States was a Soviet-Chinese alliance. Which is why Henry Kissinger was so intent on creating the "Sino-Soviet split". With China and Russia together, we would have lost the Cold War. In order to get China effectively on our side, we made agreements with them that gave them favorable access to US markets. Let alone agreeing to the One-China policy.
If you don't believe me, just listen to Richard Nixon explain it in this video...
You have to understand, there is no globalism without the United States. It is the US Navy that protects all of the international trade routes. It is the US military who is policeman of the world. The United States only expends our treasure to maintain the global system because we have historically been the largest beneficiary of it. The real problem facing America today is that China is now the largest beneficiary of the global system of trade. And thus, the United States is essentially subsidizing the rise of China.
If things continue going as they are, China will win. The Yuan will be the world's reserve currency. And the United States will go bankrupt. Our only option is to crush China before it gets too strong.
If Russia and the Warsaw Pact didn't pose a threat then why the hell were there 400,000 Americans stationed in Europe during the Cold War.
Why were nuclear missiles based throughout Europe, and aircraft and submarines on constant stand-by.
The Soviet Union had a larger population than the US and Canada combined and covered a vast area, it also spent a very high percentage of GDP on defence.
Whilst if you look at history, Russia and the later Soviet Union often played a pivotal role in major wars, from Napoleon Bonaparte and the Napoleonic Wars through to Adolf Hitler and WW2.
As for Nixon, he left office in disgrace, and the US later abandoned the Vietnam War, as for the Soviets with vast nuclear and conventional forces not being a peer during the Cold War, it's pure nonsense.
Finally in terms of the Chinese, they never sought war with the West, however they did back other communist regimes including the North Koreans and Vietnamese, but then again so did the Soviets.
yeah, they are the manufacturing powerhouse and are positioning themselves to become the next global superpower. they do have their fair share of issues. not all is well in China either. they face burnt out/fed up citizens, lack of national pride, lack of quality in what they produce, environmental/health issues from all the toxic unregulated industrial operations. there’s probably more but the ccp is tight lipped on it.
The main thing Xi has been supposedly doing is making sure that the young boys get raised to be tough manly men and not emasculated like they are in the west and believe it or not that might have a huge impact on the future power dynamics in the world. The following few paragraphs were written by a woman on another forum responding to all the men who are disillusioned by the way the system has emasculated the West. Of course, none of this does any good when the price of houses are so ridiculously high because the top 5% want to gobble them all up with cash offers. It's a combination of factors leading to the fall but that's the main one right there is the consolidation of real estate wealth combined with the emasculation of males.
Everything we are seeing was deliberately calculated to destroy normal human relations, to destroy families and relationships, to sow discord and discontent, to disunite and divide us, to influence us into making disadvantageous decisions and situations... all to make us easier to conquer and destroy.
"Not that I’m looking for your attention (I’m happily married to one of the real men still left)
But for the sake of any future woman in your life..should you be so fortunate to find a real woman? Not all of us are feminazies. Some of us even enjoy and celebrate being female and are in touch with our femininity. Don’t lose hope. Part of being a man is being persistent and NOT giving up. Fight for your VERY REAL right to not only exist but the honor you should also feel in society for being male. Fight for the women who have been brainwashed by society and their government. I believe that there are many women out there who are confused, frustrated and just plain exhausted from feeling like they have to shoulder it all. Step up and be a man. Don’t give up. All of you real men out there are needed more than you even realize. And now moreso..then ever!! It’s time to take back your place in society, take back your rights, your women, your children and your country!!"
"And to any hard core feminists on this thread? You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. You’re not only a disgrace to real women but to yourselves. You have systematically destroyed any children you have by brainwashing them against their fathers and against the good men still left out there and whom are still fighting for THEM!!
You have destroyed the good values of the nuclear family, you’ve decimated the work force, and all but collapsed society and made this country borderline impotent. You’ve only to look at the cuckold in the White House to see how far your evil agenda has reached. Maybe you were brain washed? Maybe you were raised by a brain washed mother or mothers. If so..it’s not too late to wake up and see the extreme damage that feminism has done to this country. YOUR country! It’s not too late to grab hold of that pendulum and stop the direction it’s swinging in. But you’re running out of time to change this catastrophe that YOU have helped to create!!
You were created to be feminine and a help mate for your men! Start becoming what you were created to do. You have a God given role to perform, as do the men. We have GOT to get back to our creator’s original design. Society begins in the home! Future generations and ideals are created in the home. And the home begins with one man and one woman loving and respecting each other and obeying their creator, fulfilling their God given roles. We can still do this!! It’s not too late to change things around.
This country is counting on the women to put men back in charge. To lift men up instead of constantly tearing them down. And in turn you will see magic begin to happen in your relationships and in your homes. You will be amazed how when you love and show respect to your men..both in private AND especially in public..you will then receive the love, respect, male leadership, attention and protection you inwardly crave. You will see the kind of male role models you always wanted for your children. The kind of father you always wanted but never had because of your own mother’s mistakes.
Learn to put aside all thoughts of men who have mistreated, abused, especially sexually abused you in the past. And think about the type of man you always wanted in your life. The father you always wanted but never had..the boyfriend or husband that you always wanted but never had. The present is NOW. The future is NOW. It’s time to BE the type of woman that will attract the type of man you have always wanted. It begins with us!! Look in the mirror and ask yourselves..what do you want??
Look around at our imploding society. Is THIS what you want for you? For the future of your children??"
If Russia and the Warsaw Pact didn't pose a threat then why the hell were there 400,000 Americans stationed in Europe during the Cold War.
The Soviet Union was never "more powerful" than the United States. Its economy was a fraction of the United States, and technologically it was behind the United States in almost every field. The Soviet Union was not and could never be an economic, military, or political equal to the United States.
The danger the Soviet Union posed to the United States was that communism appealed to undeveloped countries that had been exploited by the western imperialists for centuries. When we fought the Vietnamese in the Vietnam War, the true motivation of the Vietnamese was not communism. It was a hatred of Western imperialists. What we were actually fighting was Vietnamese nationalism.
As for Europe, you have to understand that the modus operandi of the Soviet Union(and the United States for that matter) is not full-scale invasion. It is infiltration, subversion, and destabilization. The goal of the imperialists is to find factions who hate their government, give them money, weapons, and organize them so that they either overthrow their government in a coup d'etat, or to start a Civil War which creates enough violence that you can intervene as "peacekeeper".
The fundamental role of NATO in Europe was not truly to fend off a Russian invasion. It was to make sure there were American troops stationed in Europe who could maintain stability and act as peacekeepers in the event any violence broke out. This meant that the Soviet Union's attempts at subversion would necessarily fail(think of what happened in Donbass/Crimea).
Moreover, the European governments got a great deal because they effectively didn't have to spend anything on their own defense since their security was guaranteed by the United States. In effect, the Europeans were being subsidized by tens of billions a year by the United States, both by not having to spend money on their own defense, and also because of the economic benefits of US occupying troops spending money in the local economy.
Furthermore, NATO was formed long before the Warsaw Pact. It was the United States that intervened in the Korean War long before China got involved. It was the United States that had the stated intention of "rolling back" the Soviet Union by force if necessary. You have your timeline quite backwards my friend.
With that said, the purpose of the US strategy post-WWII of "containment" was that we wanted to make sure communism didn't spread because the only way for the Soviet Union to "win" the Cold War was to ally itself with most of the world's people and natural resources. As long as we kept the Soviet Union bottled up in Eastern Europe, they were doomed.
And that is why we were so terrified of communism spreading throughout Asia, and a Chinese-Russian alliance. If the Chinese and Soviets had allied with each other, they would have been impossible to beat. And early on in the Cold War, much of the developing world was tilting towards communism as they began to throw off the chains of the European colonizers.
Not only were we terrified of a Soviet-China alliance, we were also terrified of a Russian alliance with the Middle-East(because they have oil). The battle over the Middle-East was a significant factor for our putting "Under God" in the pledge of allegiance. We wanted to present the Soviets as godless atheists who wanted to destroy religion. We supported both Islamic fundamentalists and Islamic nationalists to stop the spread of communism. The most famous being Saddam Hussain and his Baath Party(pan-Arabic), and of course the mujahideen and Osama Bin Laden.
The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was the greatest gift to the United States because it turned the entire Islamic world against the Soviet Union. By 1989, the Soviets had lost almost all of their friends. There was no longer any danger of communism spreading anywhere, and the Saudis had helped collapse the price of oil driving the Soviets into bankruptcy.
In short, the only danger from the Soviet Union was if they could could gain friends, either by appealing to anti-imperialist sentiments in places like Cuba, or through subversion of their neighboring countries. The Soviet Union on its own was never a threat to the United States.
The situation with China is wholly different. The Chinese on their own are not only a potential economic, scientific, and military peer to the United States. They will surpass us in all fields if the current geopolitical dynamic remains as it is. We can't defeat the Chinese by containing them. We have to destroy them.
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As for Nixon, he left office in disgrace, and the US later abandoned the Vietnam War, as for the Soviets with vast nuclear and conventional forces not being a peer during the Cold War, it's pure nonsense.
The Soviets were never a peer competitor to the United States. Period. The Soviet Union was basically a third-world country in comparison to the United States, with essentially no financial system. It's what was called the "second-world". Furthermore, the Soviet Union had a closed economic system which made it difficult to anchor countries into its sphere of influence. Whereas the United States could anchor countries into its sphere of influence through international trade(which is why we created and defended the international system).
The Chinese today have vastly more trade with far more countries than the United States. Moreover, the Chinese will surpass us technologically. It is inevitable. And with their 1.4 billion people, even if the Chinese people were half as rich as us, their GDP would be twice the size as ours(why do you think we're pushing so hard for more immigration).
Moreover, it is China that has presented itself as the benign country that just wants to trade. While the United States has presented itself as the atheistic evil empire that wants to destroy religion, spread debauchery, and conquer the world.
And that is why pretty much everyone outside of the west has thrown their support behind Russia. The Russia-China entente is a counterbalance to a US hegemon that has been bombing and occupying the middle-east for decades. And which has been exploiting Latin-America for more than a century.
Most of the world wants to see America humbled, if not destroyed. China is the greatest geopolitical threat the United States has ever faced. More importantly, it is the last country on Earth that has any real chance of challenging American hegemony. If we defeat China, we will rule forever(or at least the WEF).
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...........That's not true for China, who must import 65% of its energy and a large portion of its food. .........
China's best days are behind it.
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China grows 95% of its own food. They import the rest and are the second largest exporter of food behind the US. They have 1.4 billion people they are feeding so they currently produce a lot more food than the US does to feed 330 billion. As their population ages and declines (Less food will be required), and their farming continues to improve they may wind up being competitive in the exportation of food.
Imbalance of $46B per year. Japan and US make up $14B of that. War or serious conflict would stop trade.
USA has 4X the times farmland that China has, but only 1/4th the population. USA: 914M acres. China 406M acres.
China is unable to feed itself without outside trade.
That's why I say war with China is not going to happen. China cannot afford a war and its accompanied sanctions.
The Soviet Union was never "more powerful" than the United States. Its economy was a fraction of the United States, and technologically it was behind the United States in almost every field. The Soviet Union was not and could never be an economic, military, or political equal to the United States.
The danger the Soviet Union posed to the United States was that communism appealed to undeveloped countries that had been exploited by the western imperialists for centuries. When we fought the Vietnamese in the Vietnam War, the true motivation of the Vietnamese was not communism. It was a hatred of Western imperialists. What we were actually fighting was Vietnamese nationalism.
As for Europe, you have to understand that the modus operandi of the Soviet Union(and the United States for that matter) is not full-scale invasion. It is infiltration, subversion, and destabilization. The goal of the imperialists is to find factions who hate their government, give them money, weapons, and organize them so that they either overthrow their government in a coup d'etat, or to start a Civil War which creates enough violence that you can intervene as "peacekeeper".
The fundamental role of NATO in Europe was not truly to fend off a Russian invasion. It was to make sure there were American troops stationed in Europe who could maintain stability and act as peacekeepers in the event any violence broke out. This meant that the Soviet Union's attempts at subversion would necessarily fail(think of what happened in Donbass/Crimea).
Moreover, the European governments got a great deal because they effectively didn't have to spend anything on their own defense since their security was guaranteed by the United States. In effect, the Europeans were being subsidized by tens of billions a year by the United States, both by not having to spend money on their own defense, and also because of the economic benefits of US occupying troops spending money in the local economy.
Furthermore, NATO was formed long before the Warsaw Pact. It was the United States that intervened in the Korean War long before China got involved. It was the United States that had the stated intention of "rolling back" the Soviet Union by force if necessary. You have your timeline quite backwards my friend.
With that said, the purpose of the US strategy post-WWII of "containment" was that we wanted to make sure communism didn't spread because the only way for the Soviet Union to "win" the Cold War was to ally itself with most of the world's people and natural resources. As long as we kept the Soviet Union bottled up in Eastern Europe, they were doomed.
And that is why we were so terrified of communism spreading throughout Asia, and a Chinese-Russian alliance. If the Chinese and Soviets had allied with each other, they would have been impossible to beat. And early on in the Cold War, much of the developing world was tilting towards communism as they began to throw off the chains of the European colonizers.
Not only were we terrified of a Soviet-China alliance, we were also terrified of a Russian alliance with the Middle-East(because they have oil). The battle over the Middle-East was a significant factor for our putting "Under God" in the pledge of allegiance. We wanted to present the Soviets as godless atheists who wanted to destroy religion. We supported both Islamic fundamentalists and Islamic nationalists to stop the spread of communism. The most famous being Saddam Hussain and his Baath Party(pan-Arabic), and of course the mujahideen and Osama Bin Laden.
The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was the greatest gift to the United States because it turned the entire Islamic world against the Soviet Union. By 1989, the Soviets had lost almost all of their friends. There was no longer any danger of communism spreading anywhere, and the Saudis had helped collapse the price of oil driving the Soviets into bankruptcy.
In short, the only danger from the Soviet Union was if they could could gain friends, either by appealing to anti-imperialist sentiments in places like Cuba, or through subversion of their neighboring countries. The Soviet Union on its own was never a threat to the United States.
The situation with China is wholly different. The Chinese on their own are not only a potential economic, scientific, and military peer to the United States. They will surpass us in all fields if the current geopolitical dynamic remains as it is. We can't defeat the Chinese by containing them. We have to destroy them.
The Soviets were never a peer competitor to the United States. Period. The Soviet Union was basically a third-world country in comparison to the United States, with essentially no financial system. It's what was called the "second-world". Furthermore, the Soviet Union had a closed economic system which made it difficult to anchor countries into its sphere of influence. Whereas the United States could anchor countries into its sphere of influence through international trade(which is why we created and defended the international system).
The Chinese today have vastly more trade with far more countries than the United States. Moreover, the Chinese will surpass us technologically. It is inevitable. And with their 1.4 billion people, even if the Chinese people were half as rich as us, their GDP would be twice the size as ours(why do you think we're pushing so hard for more immigration).
Moreover, it is China that has presented itself as the benign country that just wants to trade. While the United States has presented itself as the atheistic evil empire that wants to destroy religion, spread debauchery, and conquer the world.
And that is why pretty much everyone outside of the west has thrown their support behind Russia. The Russia-China entente is a counterbalance to a US hegemon that has been bombing and occupying the middle-east for decades. And which has been exploiting Latin-America for more than a century.
Most of the world wants to see America humbled, if not destroyed. China is the greatest geopolitical threat the United States has ever faced. More importantly, it is the last country on Earth that has any real chance of challenging American hegemony. If we defeat China, we will rule forever(or at least the WEF).
The USSR might have had a different economic system, however it had a mighty conventional and nuclear capabilities, and the main NATO scenario in terms of Soviets was not one infiltration, subversion, and destabilisation, it was one that involved Soviet tanks crossing the German plains.
This is why the US committed so many tanks and soldiers in relation to West Germany during the Cold War.
As for Europe getting a great deal, I think you will find that European nations spent a great deal of GDP on defence during the Cold War, and many European nations also had compulsory military conscription, such was the threat of the USSR and Warsaw Pact.
The idea that Europe did nothing, and did not contribute a lot during the Cold War is nonsense and insulting, as is your narrative that European governments got a great deal because they effectively didn't have to spend anything on their own defence since their security was guaranteed by the United States, and therefore did not having spend money on their own defence during this time.
As for Vietnam, the US embroiled itself in a pointless Civil War, that was not supported by many other Western nations, and which had nothing to do with the US in the first place.
The same is true of Iraq, which was another pointless War, which merely went on to cause destabilisation of the region, the growth of an Islamic caliphate in terms of ISIS, and bloody conflicts such as the Syrian Civil War.
The same is true of the Afghanistan conflict, which just led to another disastrous US withdrawal, and which left the Taliban in a better position than they were twenty years prior.
As for 9/11 it was carried out by Saudi Islamic Fundamentalist, however George W. Bush wanted revenge on Saddam Hussein due to his involvement in a plot to assassinate his father George H.W Bush, so the pretext of WMD's was used as an excuse for an invasion.
In terms of Afghanistan, US and NATO forces went in to clear the caves of Islamic forces, however this became a long term mission, that turned in to a peacekeeping operation with the objective of bringing democracy to Afghanistan, and training Afghan police and soldiers to uphold democracy.
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China will be hurt, but China won't "go down". The reasons are two-fold...
1) The US dollar is the world's reserve currency. The Yuan is not. The United States has a $1 trillion a year trade-deficit. China has a nearly $1 trillion a year trade-surplus. The standard-of-living of the United States is heavily dependent on controlling the world's reserve currency. The Yuan would replace it.
2) China is a real country. America is not. I love this quote from Dave Chappelle...
"And that's why we will never ever be able to beat China, because everybody in America is racist and everybody in China is Chinese."
The idea that Europe did nothing, and did not contribute a lot during the Cold War is nonsense and insulting, as is your narrative that European governments got a great deal because they effectively didn't have to spend anything on their own defense since their security was guaranteed by the United States, and that Europeans were being subsidized by tens of billions a year by the United States, both by not having to spend money on their own defense, and also because of the economic benefits of US occupying troops spending money in the local economy.
The point is, if Europe had had to defend itself without American security guarantees, half of its GDP would have gone to defense. The American presence in Europe absolutely subsidized Europe, and still subsidizes Europe. It isn't even debatable. Moreover, the presence of US military bases in Europe subsidizes the local economies there. And the fact that Europe has favorable trade deals with the United States, which is the world's reserve currency and thus has far more buying power than it should otherwise have, has also subsidized European economies relative to the rest of the world.
If you understand anything about empires, this is pretty standard stuff. Empires consist of a web of vassals, dependencies, protectorates, client-states, etc. Each of whom are dependent on the empire either economically or militarily. Empires are rarely held together by raw force, which is inherently unstable. The primary goal of empires is maintaining security dependence and access to markets. Basically, the #1 priority of an empire is keeping its vassals loyal/dependent.
This quote from Zbigniew Brzezinski explains it best.... "To put it in a terminology that harkens back to the more brutal age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together."
Empires cost money. Empires end when the cost of maintaining the empire exceeds its benefits.
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As for Vietnam, the US embroiled itself in a pointless Civil War, that was not supported by other Western nations, and which had nothing to do with the US in the first place.
I'll let you in on a little secret. Civil Wars NEVER occur without outside interference. Civil Wars only happen when the minority faction is supported by an external patron which gives them the military and economic power to challenge/overthrow the ruling faction. The Civil War in Ukraine was 100% the doing of external patrons. Not only would there be no war in Ukraine without America and Russia's involvement, there would have been no coup.
The Vietnam War was 100% the doing of the Soviets who supported Vietnamese communists to overthrow French rule, which led to the intervention of the United States who was afraid that if Vietnam fell to communism, so would the rest of southeast Asia.
For that matter, the United States wouldn't even exist without the French.
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The same is true of Iraq, which was another pointless War, which merely went on to cause destabilisation of the region, the growth of an Islamic caliphate in terms of ISIS, and bloody conflicts such as the Syrian Civil War.
The same is true of the Afghanistan conflict, which just led to another disastrous US withdrawal, and which left the Taliban in a better position than they were twenty years prior.
Just because you don't understand the reason behind something, doesn't mean it was pointless. There was a point to all of these conflicts. As a matter of policy, the only problem with these wars, is that they failed. And they only failed because of external patrons who provided support for the militants.
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As for 9/11 it was carried out by Saudi Islamic Fundamentalist, however George W. Bush wanted revenge on Saddam Hussein due to his involvement in a plot to assassinate his father George H.W Bush, so the pretext of WMD's was used as an excuse for an invasion.
Rofl. That is a nice story, but it isn't true. All of these wars were pushed by the neocons. Who had been pushing them long before 9/11(we had been bombing Iraq for more than ten years before the 2003 invasion). That was just their excuse. The plan was to overthrow at least seven middle-east governments to install pro-western regimes(bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran). This idea that the war was all Bush's fault is a fantasy. That isn't how the government works.
In terms of Afghanistan, US and NATO forces went in to clear the caves of Islamic forces, however this became a long term mission, that turned in to a peacekeeping operation with the objective of bringing democracy to Afghanistan, and training Afghan police and soldiers to uphold democracy.
Rofl. The United States doesn't care about democracy. The United States wanted to create a puppet state in Afghanistan. Almost all of the people who attacked us on 9/11 were Saudis, and Osama Bin Laden was in Pakistan. Why the **** would America give a flying **** about democracy? The only thing America cares about is America. We don't fight wars to give other people democracy. We fight wars for profit and control.
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