Vital to Disarm - ban scary guns ! (18 year old, solutions, March)

[UNC4Me]

Originally Posted by hawk55732

If you want to ban firearms. Do you the correct way. Unfortunately for you its in the Constitution.

Ok. Then let’s just have 1 State run gun shop in each State. Where you have to go and fill out your background paperwork and then return in 2 weeks if approved to buy a single gun. That’s not a ban since buying a gun is still legal in the State. If you want multiple guns, rinse and repeat.

[hawk55732]

Originally Posted by UNC4Me

Ok. Then let’s just have 1 State run gun shop in each State. Where you have to go and fill out your background paperwork and then return in 2 weeks if approved to buy a single gun. That’s not a ban since buying a gun is still legal in the State. If you want multiple guns, rinse and repeat.

But you will still have firearms. Isnt that what you want to stop? Isnt that what is killing all those kids you are so worried about?

[Kracer]

Originally Posted by Angry-Koala

I can't vote because you didn't give us a choice between regular guns and assault rifles. Why do average citizens need a gun that can fire multiple rounds in a minute?

Also, I don't want potentially violent felons who are out on bail owning guns, so I like the "by permission of government" choice over the "as an endowed right" one. Let's keep guns out of the hands of people who are most likely to misuse them and let's keep our kids safe.

No one is keeping guns out of the hands of those who should not own guns like ms 13, drug cartels!

Time to stop looking at guns as the cure all. That is why everyone is so terminally frustrated with these shootings. the politicians do the same anti gun dance every time.

Assault weapons ban was implemented. It was reversed when feds found out it had ZERO effect on murders.

So let's do it again and up our frustration even more!

The last few shooting occurred because the government , states DID NOT UPDATE THEIR DATABASES!

How many times do cops need to be called about a crazy who eventually kills..and the word is ..the cops knew about it.

RELEASE JV RECORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MOST MURDERS ARE COMMITTED BY GANG MEMBERS! Biden let's them in over the abandoned southern border and finances their violent activities. State govs like NJ invite them into their sanctuary states and protect them from the feds. NJ had an incident where three college kids..all black..had been murdered by a deported illegal gang member..so much for sanctuary cities and safe places.

Eric holder sold guns to the drug cartels and lost track of them.

CA senator YE, a staunch anti gun activist sold weapons of war to anyone with cash!

Lie on a purchase permit and no prosecution.

DC prosecutor goes after a businessman who had an empty shell casing on his desk. they spent years trying to nail this innocent guy. Justice is corrupted when they spend time and effort on those least likely to commit a crime, when idiotic laws are passed. At the same time give an exemption to gang bangers and perps.

Guy in NJ gets parole, withing weeks gets a gun as if that was a problem, and shots up a crowd as revenge against other gang members. What does the gov do? reduces mag cap from 15 to 10. NJ has a very strict gun permitting policy, have to release medical records, fingerprints run, two citizens as references and of course a NICS check on baed on your driver license just for a BB gun. Repeat for each pistol purchase. So where does a gang banger get a gun, certainly not a gun show.

Activist prosecutors plea down felonies to misdemeanors and release the perp back onto the community.

Maine has the least amount of gun laws, fully auto and silencers okay with federal permit... the streets do not run red with blood,

chicago has the strictest gun laws and you can;t avoid stepping into a puddle of blood while walking down the street.

False information about guns and laws prevents any honest discussion from taking place.

Obama tells us the safest places have the strictest gun laws! LIE! Obama talks in theory not reality. In theory if no guns exist, there will be no gun deaths.

Lies, academic theory and incompetence are what contributes to killings.

The killings are not equally distributed, they are clustered! Should be a huge clue to preventing murders.

The latest shooting involving a trans. Hate and fear ginned up by the media and activists who convince the people they represent that they are victims whose lives are in danger. Gets the hackles up on everyone now suspiciously watching everyone else like a gazelle in a hungry lions den. Creates an explosive atmosphere.

Each state defines the characteristic of what they label an assault weapon. I guarantee you if you saw what was legal in a state where assault weapons are banned, you would not be able to tell an illegal assault weapon from a legal gun. Many legal guns look like something out of star wars and are NOT, by legal definition, assault weapons.

Stop with the 'ASSAULT WEAPONS' nonsense, it is meaningless.

Gun laws have a point of diminishing return and we are way past that point and that is why the killing continues.

[UNC4Me]

Originally Posted by hawk55732

But you will still have firearms. Isnt that what you want to stop? Isnt that what is killing all those kids you are so worried about?

Making the hurdles higher to own a gun will mean less guns. That will reduce (not eliminate) gun violence. The other side of the coin is mental healthcare which is severely lacking in the US. This is not a one prong issue. It’s easy access to guns, poor mental healthcare, a culture that glorifies guns and violence in general.

There’s no way to 100% stop violence with guns or even with baseball bats, but that’s not a reason to not try and mitigate it.

[hawk55732]

Originally Posted by UNC4Me

Making the hurdles higher to own a gun will mean less guns. That will reduce (not eliminate) gun violence. The other side of the coin is mental healthcare which is severely lacking in the US. This is not a one prong issue. It’s easy access to guns, poor mental healthcare, a culture that glorifies guns and violence in general.

There’s no way to 100% stop violence with guns or even with baseball bats, but that’s not a reason to not try and mitigate it.

The mental health issue is the main problem. If you notice, in the past we didnt have these issues. What changed?

[FatBob96]

Originally Posted by UNC4Me

We’ve already done that to zero result. Uvalde was a “secure” school. Didn’t make a rats worth of difference.

The first part of effective security is hiring people who are smart enough to close/lock the doors.

Not buying glass doors like the transgender shooter shot out probably wouldn't hurt either.

No amount of money is going to make up for a lack of common sense in it's implementation.

[FatBob96]

Originally Posted by UNC4Me

Ok. Then let’s just have 1 State run gun shop in each State. Where you have to go and fill out your background paperwork and then return in 2 weeks if approved to buy a single gun. That’s not a ban since buying a gun is still legal in the State. If you want multiple guns, rinse and repeat.

Lol... Not in the Constitution.

There is no asterisk after "shall not be infringed".

[UNC4Me]

Originally Posted by hawk55732

The mental health issue is the main problem. If you notice, in the past we didnt have these issues. What changed?

Easy access to guns, glorified versions of guns/violence and lack of mental healthcare. It’s a potato, potahto issue.

Your view: We need better mental healthcare. Easy access to guns is not an issue.

My view: We need better mental healthcare, higher barriers to getting a gun (like how come an 18 year old can buy a gun, but not beer) and laws that guns must be secured in gun safes.

Most mass shooters either bought the guns themselves or used guns owned by family members many of who knew the shooter had mental issues and/or tell a tendency toward violence. And their guns were not properly secured?!?

[tinytrump]

Originally Posted by UNC4Me

Easy access to guns, glorified versions of guns/violence and lack of mental healthcare. It’s a potato, potahto issue.

Your view: We need better mental healthcare. Easy access to guns is not an issue.

My view: We need better mental healthcare, higher barriers to getting a gun (like how come an 18 year old can buy a gun, but not beer) and laws that guns must be secured in gun safes.

Most mass shooters either bought the guns themselves or used guns owned by family members many of who knew the shooter had mental issues and/or tell a tendency toward violence. And their guns were not properly secured?!?

In Fl now 21 is the age for gun purchases. Did these minor mass shooters buy guns at the local store ? Did their parents, or off the streets ? Anyone know?
With all the military bases, not sure how that 21 gonna work out… personally- don’t send 18 yr olds to war.

[scarabchuck]

Originally Posted by lookingaround12345

If you are a democrat, that is opposed to gun violence demand that all serious crimes carry felony convictions and lengthy prison terms. Gun advocates do have a point about enforcing what's on the books first before running your mouths after every shooting. There is no fear of retribution or consequences for just about anything these days.

Exactly. Look at the MSU shooter. He would not have been able to legally purchase that firearm had his felony not been reduced to a misdemeanor.