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Old 04-17-2023, 02:55 PM
 
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Forget for the moment that it is entirely political circus regards #4913961R.

What does Jordan think he is foisting on his rubes?

GOP is all about guns unlimited. Then blames the DA's for not having cleaned up their mess.

How could DA's possibly fix gun violence. Last I checked their role was to prosecute crimes according to the laws. Is crime prevention mandated in their job description? That would fall to folks like Jordan.

What is needed is better gun laws an then more cops, judicial resources, prisons etc.

If we consider gun crime stats in relation to gun numbers we can predict how much more of our population will need to be in prison to fix the current situation and how many more as gun numbers increase. How will we fund that? Prison tax on guns and bullets?

But sure. Let's blame the DA's
The only way to cut down homicides with firearms by any appreciable amount...is to figure out how to keep inner city gangbangers from illegally packing & using handguns...on each other and robbery victims.
That's the majority of the gun crime.
Deaths by legally owned rifles (of any type) is a insignificant percentage of the total.
Passing legislation restricting the legal purchase/possession of certain types of semiautomatic rifles is just headtrip based posturing...and will have negligible effect toward reducing homicides with firearms, as that's a negligible factor.

 
Old 04-17-2023, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Wisco Disco
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Sorry, this is nonsense. Guns don't create crime, they are inanimate objects. Criminals create crime. If you have a problem with violence, you have a problem with the violent. If you have a crime problem you have a problem with criminals. These "people" need to be identified, and eliminated from society. I've never seen any indication that rehabilitation can work on a systemic basis, so these people just need to be gotten off the streets for as long as possible.

To do the former, we need, among other things, aggressive, effective DAs who will prosecute as many criminals as possible, and lock them up for as long as possible. We used to have this in the era from the mid-90s to the mid-10s, and it worked spectacularly well, crime rates, especially murder rates same way down. But now we have a new generation of DA, specifically those backed by George Soros, who are plainly pro-criminal. They refuse to prosecute many crimes, and those they do, they do weakly. This is leaving a lot of criminals on the street to commit more crime.

If the GOP wants to go after them, and even better after they master Soros, best of luck to them.
Or... maybe... just perchance .... if there was some way of them not having the guns in the first place. But I suppose you are right, if the DA's have such a hard time of proving evidence with ballistics, taggants in powder, serialized firing pin impressions on primers in used shell casings at the scene of a crime, how could they possibly be expected to handle spork stabbings?
 
Old 04-17-2023, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by ManApplet View Post
Forget for the moment that it is entirely political circus regards #4913961R.

What does Jordan think he is foisting on his rubes?

GOP is all about guns unlimited. Then blames the DA's for not having cleaned up their mess.

How could DA's possibly fix gun violence. Last I checked their role was to prosecute crimes according to the laws. Is crime prevention mandated in their job description? That would fall to folks like Jordan.

What is needed is better gun laws an then more cops, judicial resources, prisons etc.

If we consider gun crime stats in relation to gun numbers we can predict how much more of our population will need to be in prison to fix the current situation and how many more as gun numbers increase. How will we fund that? Prison tax on guns and bullets?

But sure. Let's blame the DA's
Yes, some DAs should be blamed. They refuse to hold criminals accountable, so they feel emboldened to commit more crimes. Thousands of violent criminals are being allowed to roam the streets because some DAs refuse to prosecute them. Even when they shoot or kill people, DAs want to give these people a pass.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoM-SjJ9_hE
 
Old 04-17-2023, 03:07 PM
 
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A couple weeks back, there was a story on the news of a young man beating his 6 week old child to death. The DA plead it down to 2nd degree and agreed on the child killer only serving 8 years. The killer will be young enough when he gets out to kill more people. This is a common outcome.
 
Old 04-17-2023, 03:08 PM
 
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How could DA's possibly fix gun violence. Last I checked their role was to prosecute crimes according to the laws. Is crime prevention mandated in their job description? That would fall to folks like Jordan.

What is needed is better gun laws an then more cops, judicial resources, prisons etc.
This doesn't make any sense. Are all District Attorneys zealously enforcing the gun laws that exist? Not that I know of. So what difference would "better" gun laws make?

Also, no, that would not "fall to folks like Jordan." Jordan is a U.S. congressman, responsible for federal law. District Attorneys are responsible for prosecuting state law violations, not federal.
 
Old 04-17-2023, 03:24 PM
 
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It is ridiculous that Jordan is doing this. Ohio has a much higher murder rate than NYC. He called for a hearing on the weaponization of the federal government against political rivals...and now he's doing exactly that.
 
Old 04-17-2023, 03:28 PM
 
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The only way to cut down homicides with firearms by any appreciable amount...is to figure out how to keep inner city gangbangers from illegally packing & using handguns...on each other and robbery victims.
That's the majority of the gun crime.
Deaths by legally owned rifles (of any type) is a insignificant percentage of the total.
Passing legislation restricting the legal purchase/possession of certain types of semiautomatic rifles is just headtrip based posturing...and will have negligible effect toward reducing homicides with firearms, as that's a negligible factor.
Or how about locking up violent offenders for a long, long time so that those that desire peace can have it.

It's not complicated unless your an emotionally laden SJW type.
 
Old 04-17-2023, 03:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ManApplet View Post
Forget for the moment that it is entirely political circus regards #4913961R.

What does Jordan think he is foisting on his rubes?

GOP is all about guns unlimited. Then blames the DA's for not having cleaned up their mess.

How could DA's possibly fix gun violence. Last I checked their role was to prosecute crimes according to the laws. Is crime prevention mandated in their job description? That would fall to folks like Jordan.

What is needed is better gun laws an then more cops, judicial resources, prisons etc.

If we consider gun crime stats in relation to gun numbers we can predict how much more of our population will need to be in prison to fix the current situation and how many more as gun numbers increase. How will we fund that? Prison tax on guns and bullets?

But sure. Let's blame the DA's
im going to type slow.

Because they are violating individuals Constutional rights (Bragg) and their Human rights (Every single DA that is letting violent criminals off that then go and kill people.)

This isnt hard to understand.
 
Old 04-17-2023, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Boston
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You nailed it with this "Last I checked their role was to prosecute crimes according to the laws."



AND they are not doing it. Time and again we have seen the DA's in Progressive Democrat run cities go easy on criminals and it doesn't matter if they have a rap sheet a mile long. It also doesn't matter if they have used weapons and illegally acquired guns.

We have also seen cases where Felonies have been reduced to Misdemeanors in violent cases. WHY?

We have also seen Misdemeanors such as Trump's book keeping snafu turned into a Felony. WHY?


If the Liberal DA's would do the right thing and get tough on crime instead of making excuses for the criminals and letting them back out on the street we would have a lot less violent crimes where guns are used.



It's not the Guns and the GOP knows it. The problem is the people that are so willingly pulling the triggers and the DA's that are more friendly to them than the Cops on the beat and the general public that are innocent.
Alvin Bragg turns more than 50% of felony charges into misdemeanors, it goes on everywhere.
 
Old 04-17-2023, 03:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ManApplet View Post
Forget for the moment that it is entirely political circus regards #4913961R.

What does Jordan think he is foisting on his rubes?

GOP is all about guns unlimited. Then blames the DA's for not having cleaned up their mess.

How could DA's possibly fix gun violence. Last I checked their role was to prosecute crimes according to the laws. Is crime prevention mandated in their job description? That would fall to folks like Jordan.
You're not paying attention at all. And you answered your own question. DA's are refusing to prosecute crimes. That's the problem that Jordan is addressing.
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