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Old 07-05-2023, 02:24 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Blondy View Post
No woman knows if she will be part of that 1205 women who die. Any woman could be.
Nope medically necessary abortions are performed when the mother's life is at stake. Outside of that, it's exceedingly rare to die because of pregnancy. The rate is 1,205 women per 4,600,000 pregnancies. That's just 0.026%. 1 in 3,817.
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Old 07-05-2023, 02:27 PM
 
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The reasons for both abortion and obesity in both groups are far more complicated than your assertion of being targeted. You can stay oblivious to the other reasons so you can push your notions are fact.
You're naming other reasons that just don't add up. The financial reasons don't, both because the disparity rate between abortion and poverty is significantly different AND because women who can most likely afford to have a baby are the ones most likely to abort. The reasons you give just don't make sense.
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Old 07-05-2023, 02:29 PM
 
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Do you think a black woman or any woman would abort a pregnancy she was intending to take to term because she saw a clinic in her neighborhood?
Why do YOU think Black women have so much of a higher abortion rate? The reason you gave, financial, has already been debunked. Try again.
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Old 07-05-2023, 02:33 PM
 
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Abortions are not the primary business of planned parenthood.
They ARE the primary business of abortion clinics. Not every PP facility provides abortions.

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"There are two kinds of abortion in the U.S. — in-clinic abortion and the abortion pill. Some Planned Parenthood health centers provide one or both kinds of abortion."
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/ge...rtion-services

It just so happens that PP LIKES to locate their abortion clinics in Black/Hispanic neighborhoods.
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Old 07-05-2023, 02:57 PM
 
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Why do YOU think Black women have so much of a higher abortion rate? The reason you gave, financial, has already been debunked. Try again.
Debunked by you. You’re the authority now? A great deal of women abort because they can’t afford a child. That’s a fact.
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Old 07-05-2023, 03:00 PM
 
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A 6 week old human embryo is not yet a person with the same ethical right to life that a legal person has. I'll just keep making this point in every thread, every time you post your dishonest, conflating nonsense.
It IS a human LIFE. Human life exists on a continuum from conception until death, whenever that occurs.

The biological (you know... SCIENCE) characteristics of LIFE include, transformation of energy, growth, and development. A developing human baby has all those characteristics from the moment of conception.
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Old 07-05-2023, 03:05 PM
 
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Unintended pregnancy doesn’t always end in abortion.
That's completely irrelevant. Women don't have convenience abortions when they WANT the baby.
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Guttmacher says over 50 percent were using bc when they aborted. But that’s on the pages you either won’t read or will dismiss.
WRONG. I posted the quote from Guttmacher AND the link. Women who consistently use birth control (that means EVERY time they have sex) were only 5% of those with unintended pregnancies.
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Old 07-05-2023, 03:07 PM
 
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Debunked by you. You’re the authority now?
Debunked by the actual financial statistics, including those of the US Census Bureau and the Brookings Institution (left-wing think tank).
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Old 07-05-2023, 03:08 PM
 
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Why do YOU think Black women have so much of a higher abortion rate? The reason you gave, financial, has already been debunked. Try again.
Where has the financial aspect been debunked?

Just because someone makes 4 times the poverty rate doesn't mean that they can afford the cost of even a healthy pregnancy and delivery. Assuming no debt, there would be no money left over after rent and daycare at 400% poverty rate in many parts of the country. Throw in hundreds or thousands of dollars of student loan, car, or medical debt, existing children or family to support, or interruptions to a job. Let's say a woman starts a job on Monday but finds out she's pregnant on Tuesday. She wouldn't qualify for *any* protections for her job until she's been there a year - and that's only if the company is large enough to qualify for FMLA. Job protections just mean you won't get fired while you're recovering - it doesn't mean you get paid.

Why are you the arbiter in what is or is not affordable for other women?
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Old 07-05-2023, 03:13 PM
 
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Where has the financial aspect been debunked?
I posted the stats from the US Census Bureau and the Brookings Institution. The assertion that Black women have a 5.2 times higher abortion rate than white women because of financial reasons doesn't match the statistics.

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Just because someone makes 4 times the poverty rate doesn't mean that they can afford the cost of even a healthy pregnancy and delivery.
It's even LESS affordable for women who earn LESS than that yet they have MUCH lower abortion rates in the event of an unplanned pregnancy. The reason for killing a healthy developing baby in a healthy pregnancy ISN'T financial. The less a woman earns, the LESS likely she is to abort.
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