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View Poll Results: Is it OK to prosecute women for out of state abortions?
Yes 12 5.02%
No 227 94.98%
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Old 07-20-2023, 08:03 AM
 
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Why does any State AG have to "make a case" for tracking criminal activity? That's their JOB.
If they are suggesting and vying for a law that allows them to violate HIPAA they have to have some explanation as to why. You are suggesting it is to catch human traffickers who would transport as sex slave over state lines in order to get an abortion. So yes an AG would have had to make that case for you to know their reasoning is human trafficking and they did not. They stated that the protection of medical records would interfere with states’ abilities to protect the health and safety of their citizens and to pursue evidence of criminal activity.
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Old 07-20-2023, 08:05 AM
 
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Are you saying that reporting abortions to law enforcement is a way to catch human traffickers? How about reporting human trafficking?
It's another way, yes.
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Old 07-20-2023, 08:08 AM
 
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If they are suggesting and vying for a law that allows them to violate HIPAA they have to have some explanation as to why. You are suggesting it is to catch human traffickers who would transport as sex slave over state lines in order to get an abortion. So yes an AG would have had to make that case for you to know their reasoning is human trafficking and they did not. They stated that the protection of medical records would interfere with states’ abilities to protect the health and safety of their citizens and to pursue evidence of criminal activity.
They're not violating HIPAA.

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Who is not required to comply with the HIPAA Privacy
Rule?


Many entities that may have health information are not
subject to the HIPAA Privacy Rule, including:

• employers,
• most state and local police or other law
enforcement agencies
,
• many state agencies like child protective services,
and
• most schools and school districts.
https://www.hhs.gov/guidance/sites/d...nforcement.pdf
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Old 07-20-2023, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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This is insane and has gotten out of hand.
The lady on the news several months back had cancer and was doing better taking the one cancer drug, but because the drug can cause miscarriages, the Doctors were afraid to keep prescribing it to her, so she was getting sicker and dying....all because she is of childbearing age...she said she was single and not sexually active, so she couldn't get pregnant anyway.
To make a long story short, to save the life of the baby she wasn't pregnant with, they were letting her suffer and die, because of state laws....so much for the right to life.....save and protect the baby that never even was, by sacrificing the Mother (or not Mother....since she wasn't even pregnant to begin with....but why take chances!)


And sex slaves (seriously how much of the population could that even be?) are probably forced into some back alley abortion done by someone not in the medical field anyway...you think they are going to go to the trouble of taking them to another state and paying lots of money for that?


So we are just going to let women of child bearing age suffer and die (even when they aren't pregnant at all) just because the medication side effects can cause miscarriage? How empathetic? I hope that this never happens to your daughter.


And so we are going to take away the rights of every woman in America because of Sex slaves needing abortions?
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Old 07-20-2023, 08:20 AM
 
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This is insane and has gotten out of hand.
The lady on the news several months back had cancer and was doing better taking the one cancer drug, but because the drug can cause miscarriages, the Doctors were afraid to keep prescribing it to her, so she was getting sicker and dying....all because she is of childbearing age...she said she was single and not sexually active, so she couldn't get pregnant anyway.
To make a long story short, to save the life of the baby she wasn't pregnant with, they were letting her suffer and die, because of state laws....so much for the right to life.....save and protect the baby that never even was, by sacrificing the Mother (or not Mother....since she wasn't even pregnant to begin with....but why take chances!)

And sex slaves (seriously how much of the population could that even be?) are probably forced into some back alley abortion done by someone not in the medical field anyway...you think they are going to go to the trouble of taking them to another state and paying lots of money for that?
Wouldn't that depend on how much money their traffickers are making on them?
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Old 07-20-2023, 08:28 AM
 
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Their abortion records. They will list things such as age, previous history such as number of previous abortions, etc. It establishes a pattern of criminal human trafficking activity.
These are trafficked women/girls held hostage. You think they have medical records under their real names they provide to abortion clinics? You think these people being trafficked stay in the same location/state/country.
In most cases you will need a photo ID to get an abortion. Thats it. This is not how you catch human traffickers. Why dont they just track all medical records for when these sex slaves have a pap smear, or sexually transmitted disease, or infection, etc. They could end human trafficking.

This is about controlling people. Controlling women who seek abortions and those who seek transgender care.
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Old 07-20-2023, 08:29 AM
 
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What crime is being committed?
I think those in the know with authority know better than you if this is in violation of HIPAA.
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Old 07-20-2023, 08:34 AM
 
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What crime is being committed?
I think those in the know with authority know better than you if this is in violation of HIPAA.
I'll go with what HHS says.

Note that according to HHS, one's employer is under no obligation to comply with HIPAA. Food for thought...
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Old 07-20-2023, 08:37 AM
 
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That means they can use info which they have. It does not mean that they can go out and seek private information.
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Old 07-20-2023, 08:41 AM
 
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That means they can use info which they have. It does not mean that they can go out and seek private information.
Nope. It means they have access to health records when investigating criminal activity. So does Child Protective Services when evaluating a child's situation. How does this come as a surprise to anyone?
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