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Old 09-03-2023, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I stopped using food as entertainment years ago. Meaning no fast food, sandwiches, bread, pasta, pizza, snack food, etc. I will on rare occasion go off the reservation. I basically eat what makes my body function. Vegetables, fruits, egg whites, some chicken and fish. Nothing fried and all made by me. I exercise daily at the gym and bike ride.

This is common here. I'm 6', 155 lbs. You just have to change your lifestyle and get out of the food must always taste really, really good mindset. Yes, I still drink alcohol occasionally. That's my guilty pleasure.
The KETO diet works, I was on it pretty religiously about 2 years ago and dropped 20 pounds. Unfortunately I like carbs way too much and haven't been able to stick with it, and have put most of those pounds back on.
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Old 09-03-2023, 06:54 AM
 
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My own, personal, obesity rate has gone from zero in 1990 to 100% today. Just sayin'
What changed and what do you account for what caused it?

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Old 09-03-2023, 07:08 AM
 
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I recently saw a documentary on children’s cafeteria food and how damaging and dangerous it has become. A major cause of obesity in children.
They count both catsup and fries as a vegetable.
Sadly, with Many low income kids that’s their main meal of the day so we are starting them off to be fat already at a young age.
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Old 09-03-2023, 08:07 AM
 
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Basically the study gave some mice bland food, and another were given food flavored with MSG, and they found the mice eating the none bland food ate more. If you strip away all the fancy lingo.

I don't know why we need a study for this. lol. Can you eat more calories of just canned tuna (in water) or burgers + fries + ice cream?
What do calories have to do with MSG? I honestly don’t get the point you’re trying to about the calories anyway.
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Old 09-03-2023, 08:11 AM
 
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I recently saw a documentary on children’s cafeteria food and how damaging and dangerous it has become. A major cause of obesity in children.
They count both catsup and fries as a vegetable.
Sadly, with Many low income kids that’s their main meal of the day so we are starting them off to be fat already at a young age.
That’s due to the effectiveness of lobbyists, under Reagan. It was upheld by the Supreme Court just last April that catsup can be called a vegetable.
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Old 09-03-2023, 08:13 AM
 
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What do calories have to do with MSG? I honestly don’t get the point you’re trying to about the calories anyway.
Simple, mice fed food with MSG ate more food, because the food was tastier. Hence, they consumed more calories and became fatter.

It's not unlike you trying to eat 1000 calories of broccoli vs 1000 calories of hamburgers.

Hypothetical experiment:

One set of humans were randomized to eating as much broccoli as they wanted vs as many hamburgers as they wanted. The humans randomized to hamburgers would be more likely to become obese because they'd consume more calories of food thanks to hamburgers being tastier.

MSG makes food tastier, and more palatable. Hence mice fed with it were more likely to eat more. MSG by itself is not bad. It's like adding salt to plain white rice.
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Old 09-03-2023, 08:14 AM
 
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I remember when people were mocked for talking about healthy food for kids....but now same people are seemingly calling on govt to fix the problem. Make up your minds people.
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Old 09-03-2023, 08:20 AM
 
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Simple, mice fed food with MSG ate more food, because the food was tastier. Hence, they consumed more calories and became fatter.

It's not unlike you trying to eat 1000 calories of broccoli vs 1000 calories of hamburgers.

Hypothetical experiment:

One set of humans were randomized to eating as much broccoli as they wanted vs as many hamburgers as they wanted. The humans randomized to hamburgers would be more likely to become obese because they'd consume more calories of food thanks to hamburgers being tastier.

MSG makes food tastier, and more palatable. Hence mice fed with it were more likely to eat more. MSG by itself is not bad. It's like adding salt to plain white rice.
I don’t think it’s a simple as that. In that study, it affected the release of insulin and body chemistry.

I still don’t get your point about broccoli. Everyone knows empty calories aren’t as filling or satisfying but what’s your point about that? 1000 calories of broccoli would be physically impossible to eat regardless of taste. It’s 31 cups of broccoli. I could easily eat 1000 calories of peanut butter though, because it’s more calorically dense, at 100 calories per tablespoon. But there’s no MSG.
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Old 09-03-2023, 08:21 AM
 
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I remember when people were mocked for talking about healthy food for kids....but now same people are seemingly calling on govt to fix the problem. Make up your minds people.
The government controls lunches at public schools, so only can they fix that problem.

I would like to see more veggies and "healthy" foods in school cafeterias, but that won't really fix the obesity epidemic. Lunch is 1 meal out of the day. If the kid is eating crap for the other 2 meals + snacks, it doesn't really do that much. Couple with the fact it's all calories in / out. A slice of pizza + curly fries may have less calories than whole wheat pasta + chicken + veggies even though the later is more nutritious.
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Old 09-03-2023, 08:26 AM
 
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I don’t think it’s a simple as that. In that study, it affected the release of insulin and body chemistry.

I still don’t get your point about broccoli. Everyone knows empty calories aren’t as filling or satisfying but what’s your point about that? 1000 calories of broccoli would be physically impossible to eat regardless of taste. It’s 31 cups of broccoli. I could easily eat 1000 calories of peanut butter though, because it’s more calorically dense, at 100 calories per tablespoon. But there’s no MSG.
Insulin only raises if you eat more carbohydrates than your body needs for energy. It then enters the blood and necessitates insulin to take it out of the blood and put it into cells.

The reason MSG increased insulin levels was because the mice ate more food at any given setting. Eating just pure MSG will not raise your insulin levels, but then I don't know anyone who would want to do that.

My point is tastier food promotes eating more. MSG makes food tastier, and makes you eat more of it. My broccoli vs burger experiment is a bit extreme. But take a bowl of plain white rice, try and eat it. Then add salt, you will eat more of it in that case.
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