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And also while you're at it, make everyone responsible. Little kids shouldn't be able to find and shoot each other and themselves with guns, because they should be locked up securely, in a high up place, if someone has both kids and guns in the house. Etc.
Then, after we're done fixing all those various people and social problems that we all agree we have, then at that point we can talk about what laws we need or not. Cool. But, we can't both not fix any problems and also not attempt to control firearms. The situation is not acceptable.
sorry but its not guns
I could kill twice as many people with a sword, than you could with a tiny little pew-pew ar-15, in the same amount of time.
so when people are still dying/getting killed, but you've taken away all the guns, then what, will you start collecting/confiscating all forms of knives.
just recently , and there is a active thread here on Cd about it, there were two youths... stole 4 vehicles, hit 2 people and ran over a retired cop who was on a bicycle, and killed him..... no guns... then what you going to do... confiscate the 4 stole vehicles????
I could kill twice as many people with a sword, than you could with a tiny little pew-pew ar-15, in the same amount of time.
You could kill 120 people and wound thousands of others, all with just a sword, in 10 minutes, from a hotel window perched way above a country music concert?
Damn, you're good.
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just recently , and there is a active thread here on Cd about it, there were two youths... stole 4 vehicles, hit 2 people and ran over a retired cop who was on a bicycle, and killed him..... no guns... then what you going to do... confiscate the 4 stole vehicles????
Yep, you can abuse and misuse anything to kill people, and there's not a lot we can do about any of that. Cars are a tool for transportation.
The difference with guns is that they are a tool made for efficiently killing people. When you do so, you've used the thing for its intended purpose that it was built to do.
if your "solution" is to take away an inanimate object, then your not wanting to face the root cause...... mental illness....... and unfortunately mental illness may be more than we want to admit........
Taking away inanimate objects, is how politicians get more votes, mostly from people who believe it works. Never mind that such laws almost NEVER accomplish any reduction in shootings, murders, assaults etc. Sometimes it gets worse. But the politicians (including amateur politicians on this forum) will keep insisting that it does reduce these crimes... to keep the votes flowing in.
A nice side bennie from telling the voters these fibs? When the next election rolls around in two or four years, the crime rates are just as bad (or worse) than they were before. So the politicians can keep repeating their same promises for the new election, and their constituents never check the results of last election's promises.
It's a sort of electoral "job security"... for as long as the voters keep believing what the politicians tell them, and don't check what actually happened afterward.
You could kill 120 people and wound thousands of others, all with just a sword, in 10 minutes, from a hotel window perched way above a country music concert?
Damn, you're good.
Yep, you can abuse and misuse anything to kill people, and there's not a lot we can do about any of that. Cars are a tool for transportation.
The difference with guns is that they are a tool made for efficiently killing people. When you do so, you've used the thing for its intended purpose that it was built to do.
well if you are going to exaggerate then you lost the debate already
You could kill 120 people and wound thousands of others, all with just a sword, in 10 minutes, from a hotel window perched way above a country music concert?
Damn, you're good.
Yep, you can abuse and misuse anything to kill people, and there's not a lot we can do about any of that. Cars are a tool for transportation.
The difference with guns is that they are a tool made for efficiently killing people. When you do so, you've used the thing for its intended purpose that it was built to do.
The end user determines how a firearm is used, or a car, since you mentioned that, until then they are inanimate objects.
Taking away inanimate objects, is how politicians get more votes, mostly from people who believe it works. Never mind that such laws almost NEVER accomplish any reduction in shootings, murders, assaults etc. Sometimes it gets worse. But the politicians (including amateur politicians on this forum) will keep insisting that it does reduce these crimes... to keep the votes flowing in.
A nice side bennie from telling the voters these fibs? When the next election rolls around in two or four years, the crime rates are just as bad (or worse) than they were before. So the politicians can keep repeating their same promises for the new election, and their constituents never check the results of last election's promises.
It's a sort of electoral "job security"... for as long as the voters keep believing what the politicians tell them, and don't check what actually happened later.
exactly......
and the real kicker.......
taking away guns...... means nothing to criminals..... all these fascists are doing is EMPOWERING the criminals
There is no argument to be made that guns are not specifically a killing enabler. They're a tool designed for efficiency and convenience towards that end, which is the entire point of their invention...
The difference with guns is that they are a tool made for efficiently killing people.
Actually their main purpose is deterring crime. And they do far more of that, than they do "killing people". In the long run, guns are used far more to save lives and stop crime, than to kill people.
Except in times of open war (See World War 1 1914-1918 in Europe, World War 2 1937-1945 in Europe and Asia, Ukraine in 2022-2023, and certain neighborhoods in Chicago, Philadelphia and NYC every day.)
There is no argument to be made that guns are not specifically a killing enabler. They're a tool designed for efficiency and convenience towards that end, which is the entire point of their invention...
actually i said that YOU could kill
and i said a ar15... i did not say illegally modified
again words have meanings..... and we dont need knee-jerk responses
you do understand, all these restrictions you want, are empowering the criminals, and will INCREASE the killings
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