NATO preparing for war with Russia - as Germany warns Putin may launch attack (military, insurance)
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The Western elites are afraid that when a war with any powerful country (which is likely to be China) starts, most Western men and women will leave their countries to evade drafts.
That's what happens in the Ukraine. Nobody wants to fight for the Ukrainian elite.
How any kind of competent nation can think that Russia, with a weak, archaic, and demoralized military, that uses washing machine computer chips in its primitive electronics, and still cannot overrun Ukraine in almost two years, can take on NATO successfully.
Here is a PCB from a Russian missile full of golden chips. It was sold by Ukrainians on eBay.
Which chips are from washing machines?
Biden's WOKE military is weak and disjointed. Russia may see an opportunity. Look for them to increase relations with China before anything happens. If Russia and China are the new AXIS, then Nato would have their hands full.
Here is a PCB from a Kenmore washing machine.
A specialized chip (it's made just for this machine), transformer, relays, capacitors.
You are correct. I was being facetious in my post. If what I had said was true, then Ukraine would have already kicked the Russian military out of their country. Therefore, the Russians cannot be incompetent, demoralized, weak, or have substandard military equipment and troops. Russia still stands in Ukraine and in recent weeks has made more advances and now even faster with greater Ukrainian casualties by using more thermobaric missiles.
Biden's WOKE military is weak and disjointed. Russia may see an opportunity. Look for them to increase relations with China before anything happens. If Russia and China are the new AXIS, then Nato would have their hands full.
Russia better watch out for China. Siberia is on the China list.
Russia and China have had skirmishes over their shared border before.
Russian Military would not be able to keep control of that area if China went for it.
If they weaken their Far East forces because of Ukraine. China steps in.
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Putting might not around in next two years I never like these black pill crap !!
Putin's stooges are ready to take over and many are worse than Putin in many respects.
As for the potential wars, they relate to the following.
1. Ukraine and Russia in relation to Europe and NATO, with further potential issues relating to the Balkan and Baltic states.
2. The Middle East, Iran and the rise of Islamic terrorism, the region could very easily become the powder keg for a far wider war.
3. China and Taiwan, with China making it clear that it will reunite Taiwan with China.
4. Korea - reports suggest that North Korea is preparing for an attack on the South.
If as the British Defence secretary suggested yesterday that "our adversaries are now more connect with each other", and a number of these scenarios (or even all) were to happen simultaneously then the US and West would have real problems.
As for the US it has it's own internal problems, and it's been suggested that the current US administration is not up to the job of dealing with such problems, and may be part of the reason why such adversaries are connecting and collaborating against what they see as a weak US and western world.
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Brave New World,
I can’t rep you enough since you’re 100% right on this issue.
Sadly, too many Americans think that the entire Russian military is a joke based on it “non fully mobilized” armed forces. I’m not too sure on Russian laws, but Russia is calling this invasion a “special military operation,” a play on words since it clearly a war between two countries. I’m sure that Putin is being careful since he has to deal with the Russian people who are not even near 75% supportive of this war. I’m sure a full or even a partial mobilization would meet resistance from his own people.
The Russian invasion of Ukraine somewhat remind me of the American war in Vietnam since like the Russians, we were only fighting with one arm tied behind our back. Again, like the Americans, still maintained a creditable military force to fight a major conflict at the same time. Without question, Russia is still a credible and deadly force to be dealt with since they still retain most of their conventional warfare punch.
For people who do not understand how a major military functions, prepares and to fight a war may “think” that Russia is out of modern tanks… Not so or even near running out of T-72B3M, T-80BVM, T-90M and their new T-14 tanks since they know that the Ukraine war is a meat grinder, so using the Russian “thinking” model, they are throwing their ancient T-55 and T-62 tanks into the fight to hopefully thin out the opposition as much as possible. This would have been their tactic in a war with NATO in the 1980s since their first waves of tanks would have been their older T-55s and T-62s tanks against American M1s, German Leopard 2s and British Challenger 1 tanks, than hit us with there main tank force of T-64, T-72s and T-80s to smash through our thinned out lines of defenses.
Russia doesn’t care about her troops until their Western Armies counterparts who basically do… Far better than Eastern Armies!!
Think what you want, but Russia is a threat against NATO within the Baltic region. Now if Russia should attack in 2025, she would be facing a different NATO Army since Our European NATO members are slowly rearming… Excluding Poland, who is ready for a war with some of the best weapon systems available!! The French Army has a creditable punch, but no staying power, the British Army, is small, but the Brits are natural born fighters and punch way above their weight class!! The Finnish Army, has a good size ground force and also punch above their own weight class. The German Army, well they need to wake up and arm-up ASAP since eastern Germany, including Berlin, will come under immediate attacks… Germany got too comfortable with Poland and the Ukraine being buffer countries.
The U.S. Army, well, it’s not the same fight force as it was just three years ago… “I” doubt that we can fight and win two major wars WITH two near-peer Armies, but we would likely conduct a same strategy as used in World War 2, focus on one front with what we current have now, while holding down a second front until we can mobilize to go on the offensive on that second front. Sweden isn’t officially part of NATO, as of today, but any war with Russia, Sweden would link up with NATO forces in this fight.
As for Canada, Spain, Italy, Norway and the Netherlands, they play an important, but lack the stand alone capability to be a game changer on any front. As for Turkey, who knows what they will do.
The bottom line is that Russia would be committing National suicide in attacking with a first strike strategy, thinking NATO will fold up if attacked. The actual build up would be slow to an immediate Russian threat since most of the Europeans would rely way too much on a diplomatic solution, when Russia would use that delay to prepare her planned attacks.
If the war stayed conventional, NATO would win in the long run, but if the Russians should use chemicals or tactical nukes, nobody wins since within minutes of the First tactical nuclear weapons release, the offender would have to immediately surrender or face a massive American, British and French counter strike on all of Russia, as Russia returns the favor.
Excellent post.
I totally agree and I wouldn't write Russia off just because of losses in Ukraine, it is a large nuclear power with an increasing close alliance with countries such as China, North Korea, Iran in the Middle East etc and any action against the West could involve multiple fronts.
Americans never really understood the Cold War in the same way Europe did, and they don't understand European politics are clearly.
Whilst the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction still exists, it exists for the US as well, and any incursions by Russia or other nations on other fronts would have to be dealt with this in mind.
The one thing I would say is that Europe needs to rearm more quickly and to vastly increase defence spending and military capabilities, especially at a time when some American politicians are questioning Europe's commitment as well as the fundamental basis of NATO in relation to Article 5.
For people who do not understand how a major military functions, prepares and to fight a war may “think” that Russia is out of modern tanks… Not so or even near running out of T-72B3M, T-80BVM, T-90M and their new T-14 tanks since they know that the Ukraine war is a meat grinder, so using the Russian “thinking” model, they are throwing their ancient T-55 and T-62 tanks into the fight to hopefully thin out the opposition as much as possible. This would have been their tactic in a war with NATO in the 1980s since their first waves of tanks would have been their older T-55s and T-62s tanks against American M1s, German Leopard 2s and British Challenger 1 tanks, than hit us with there main tank force of T-64, T-72s and T-80s to smash through our thinned out lines of defenses.
Mmm... Pretty sure the Warsaw Pact frontline units had some fairly good kit back in the 1980s. T-80s were the order of the day for 1st and 2nd Guards Tank Army in the GDR, for instance.
Oryx - if you're familiar with that site - set out to document the losses, with photos and metadata. Open source intelligence.
They did a fairly good job - photos were verified against all data sources (Google Earth etc.), and worked hard not to count the same vehicle twice. (He abandoned the project in October 2023 - it started as a hobby and took over his life). Even with all the requisite skepticism, there's a clear trend in the disposition: Russia's tank losses are mainly T-72s. A handful of documented T-55s and T-62s, but literally hundreds of T-72s and T-80s. The losses are in the thousands, altogether. Feel free to raise an eyebrow, but if these guys are a misinformation operation, they've done their homework.
I have no doubt that there are some very well-equipped battalions of very modern tanks in laagers near Petrograd and Moscow, acting as life insurance in case any one faction should get ideas. (Or if some mercenary army should attack the Motherland, but what are the odds of that?) They're not going anywhere. I'm sure their officers are demonstrating the most zealous loyalty. I don't think Ukraine is an attractive posting these days. As for the T-14 - are they even operational?
Of course, the war is not really in a maneuver warfare phase at this time. Mud and minefields.
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