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Old 03-25-2024, 08:48 PM
 
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Throwing the CEO under the bus won't fix anything

The CEO isn't assembling faulty parts on the planes.
The one guy that was going to "out" them with the truth is now dead
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Who decides to put faulty parts on the planes? Management or the workers?

So you have the management who decides to put the parts on the plane, or the workers forced to do so under threats of unemployment and destitution.

Management decisions are the real problem, but their motivation needs to be included in this.

The Milton Friedman maximize shareholder returns is the core of the rot in corporate America.
Since am ex-USAF, I may know something about aviation.

- The airplane manufacturer do not fly what they built

- Most airlines do not own what they fly

- Most airlines do not maintain what they fly

- Maintenance contractors rely on the airplane manufacturer for training

Ex: https://airleasecorp.com/
Air Lease Corporation is a leading aircraft leasing company principally engaged in purchasing commercial aircraft and leasing them to its valued airline customers worldwide.
Administratively speaking, it is better to manage the flying instead of the fixing. Delta is one rare exception where they own/fix what they fly but they also lease when necessary. Delta also does maintenance for other companies.

https://deltatechops.com/techops/
Delta TechOps (DTO) is the largest airline maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) provider in North America. In addition to supplying maintenance and engineering support for Delta Air Lines’ large fleet of aircraft, Delta TechOps provides high-quality service to more than 150 other aviation and airline customers around the world. DTO specializes in high-skill work such as engines, components, hangar and line maintenance, employing thousands of aviation maintenance professionals. DTO is one of the world’s most-experienced providers with more than 90 years of aviation experience.
In sum, it is not as easy to place blame on these recent mishaps on Boeing jets.
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Old 03-25-2024, 10:00 PM
 
Location: NY/LA
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They never should have passed on Alan Mulally for CEO of The Boeing Company. It's too bad he's almost 80 years old now.

Companies like Boeing should have leaders with an engineering background.
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Old 03-25-2024, 10:36 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Like Calhoun, Stephanie Pope comes from a finance background and has not a whit of engineering experience.

They never learn.
Why can't they get someone who knows how to build planes? Why is there only one commercial airline manufacturer in the United States? I'd much rather fly on an Airbus aircraft over a Boeing one.
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Old 03-26-2024, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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why are they trying to run his vaunted and once-prestigious company into the ground?
Because its brand-new airplanes keep falling out of the sky suddenly and killing hundreds of people at a time when they fall.
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Old 03-26-2024, 02:19 AM
 
Location: California
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Hiding behind a woman's skirt I guess? I happen to agree with those saying women don't usually don't make the best CEO's. I'm a woman and I worked for women and it's been fine BUT the higher up the ladder women go the fewer women there are who will be good at it. Way fewer women then men are equipped for that kind of leadership role IMO. There are some of course, but they are a rare breed. We've fixated on equity though so everything's got to be 50/50 when it comes to men/women in the workforce and it's hurting everyone.
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Old 03-26-2024, 04:54 AM
 
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Why can't they get someone who knows how to build planes? Why is there only one commercial airline manufacturer in the United States? I'd much rather fly on an Airbus aircraft over a Boeing one.
You might as well ask: Why are there only Boeing and Airbus?

Because Man is not meant to be anywhere except on land. No, am not being facetious. Am serious. Man is meant to be only on land. Not water. And certainly not in the air. What it mean is that the greater the hostility of the environment, the greater the resources it will take for Man to survive there. Aviation is a national level endeavor, meaning it will take the best of the country to get us up there. The more capable the airplane, the less of it will be available, meaning not everyone can make a Boeing 747. Any of us can make a kit plane and fly just one person. But to fly with several hundred passengers? Eventually, we will have only one or two companies capable of doing it. Can Cessna and Bombardier become as large and capable as Boeing and Airbus? Yes, but it will take them decades to get there.
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Old 03-26-2024, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Nothing wrong with bean counters as the company's sole purpose is to earn a profit for it's shareholders. However, as a pilot, I want the damn plane to work as promised. So, a balance between business and engineering/production needs to occur.
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Old 03-26-2024, 09:19 AM
 
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Like Calhoun, Stephanie Pope comes from a finance background and has not a whit of engineering experience.

They never learn.
Ah, but a woman is replacing a man, so it is a net gain in the mind of the identity politics crowd.

Boeing has gone Bud Light, and their efforts to place DIE above intelligence, competence, and safety endangers everyone who will board a Boeing plane or the airlines like United who also has gone insane with DIE hiring of incompetent pilots.

It is no laughing matter as people are going to die as a result of DIE pilots, and this short funny skit sums it up;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtzaC7TGb68

Rest assured people are going to die, but it is unlikely in todays woke PC climate investigative journalist will report on the reason why.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlSbvmJt928&t=116s

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Old 03-26-2024, 02:58 PM
 
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why are they trying to run his vaunted and once-prestigious company into the ground?
Because that is what finance bros do. Cut costs, buy back stock, outsource to the lowest bidder - anything to make the next quarterly balance sheet look better and to keep the stockholders happy. A good reputation is just another resource to be mined.
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Old 03-26-2024, 03:03 PM
 
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That is not the problem. Stop believing that sad tired propaganda story.
Let me guess what the problem is in your mind, then - brown people? Boeing went from an engineering company to a finance-driven company. Spent the R&D money on stock buybacks. The stockholders were ecstatic, and hey - it worked great, right until the numbers caught up with them.
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