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Old 03-26-2024, 09:52 AM
 
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And Hamas, Hezbollah et al have been convicted in what numbers and in how many trials in international courts of law?
And how many IDF generals etc have been convicted?

 
Old 03-26-2024, 09:57 AM
 
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Interesting, then why did Jews willingly migrate to Palestine throughout 1800s/1900s if Muslims were murdering them?
Can you ever do anything other than deflect from the facts? And your post is plain nonsense. Israel predates "Palestine" by more than a millennium, and the Jews were merely returning to their homeland. There was no "Palestine" in the 1800s or until late in the 1900s. (1988)

Think indeed.
 
Old 03-26-2024, 10:07 AM
 
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Can you ever do anything other than deflect from the facts? And your post is plain nonsense. Israel predates "Palestine" by more than a millennium, and the Jews were merely returning to their homeland. There was no "Palestine" in the 1800s or until late in the 1900s. (1988)

Think indeed.
But they were migrating voluntarily to a land 95% Muslim, controlled by Muslims (Ottoman Empire), when Muslims wanted to kill them? Interesting "logic" Buckeye
 
Old 03-26-2024, 10:07 AM
 
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And how many IDF generals etc have been convicted?
Exactly. None. Everyone cries international law this or that, but what international court is doing or has done a freaking thing, other than the UN's weekly condemnation of Israel, in the last 70 years?

The world pontificates a bunch about international law, but there is only one real law - countries do whatever they want until some number of other countries decide to stop them.

FFS, ISIS became a sympathetic victim after 9-11, once America repaved a sufficient amount of the Middle East. Obama ordered drone strikes on civilians, and where was international law telling him he couldn't or prosecuting him because he did?

International law a s concept is utterly absurd, and it seems to only be en vogue for the purpose of, once again, condemning Israel. Is it really so hard to believe that after all these years of the entire concept being so utterly disingenuous that Israel doesn't GAFF about such nonsense? Nobody else cares about international law, and why should they? So why should Israel?
 
Old 03-26-2024, 10:10 AM
 
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Exactly. None. Everyone cries international law this or that, but what international court is doing or has done a freaking thing, other than the UN's weekly condemnation of Israel, in the last 70 years?
That's because Israel has been illegally occupying Gaza (and the West Bank) since 1967. This is the genesis of the conflict. So they condemn, but cannot do anything because US vetoes all security council resolutions. The US along with some pacific atolls who are contractually obligated to vote with us.
 
Old 03-26-2024, 10:13 AM
 
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That's because Israel has been illegally occupying Gaza (and the West Bank) since 1967. This is the genesis of the conflict. So they condemn, but cannot do anything because US vetoes all security council resolutions. The US along with some pacific atolls who are contractually obligated to vote with us.
There is no such thing as illegally occupying land/territory a country wins in a war. Otherwise, the UK could say the same thing of the US, that the US is "illegally occupying" a large part of North America.
 
Old 03-26-2024, 10:30 AM
 
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"Innocent" Palestinians?
FACT:

"The majority of (59%) strongly supported or (16%) supported to some extent the October 7 attacks" 13% opposed. That's almost five human shields supporting the atrocities to one opposed.

Since October 7, "98% of respondents reported feeling prouder of their identity as Palestinians".

"Palestinians were asked to assess the role of a list of relevant parties during the war. Findings reveal that their assessments broadly fall into four categories: • Category1: The most positively appraised of all actors were the Al Qassam Brigades, Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Brigades ,and Hamas."

AWRAD poll

It's no use pretending that Gaza is broadly innocent of the kidnappings and other far worse, terrorism atrocities perpetrated against truly innocent Israelis by Gaza's terrorist government. Just as Germany was guilty societally for its embrace of Nazism and necessarily suffered the consequences of their guilt in the Allies' necessary war to bring German iniquity to an end, so too no civilization can hide hostages grabbed across neighboring borders and then expect or deserve immunity.

Yet the Arabs' supporters in this latest episode of the Arab world's war to eradicate tiny Israel clamor for Israel to prioritize delivering necessities to Hamas and its voting public, currently in possession of Israeli hostages, before the safe return by Gaza's government of the hostages to Israel. That prioritization is nonsensical, distinctly unhumanitarian, and strictly the type of advice one prescribes exclusively to a nation that one hates.
 
Old 03-26-2024, 10:31 AM
 
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Yes, the founder of Hamas was a refugee from the ethnic cleansing campaign Israel did in 1947. They resettled in Gaza while it was under Egyptian control. And formed after Israel occupied it in 1967.
ya, then they came into power after the "Gazaers" voters voted them in.
 
Old 03-26-2024, 10:35 AM
 
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ya, then they came into power after the "Gazaers" voters voted them in.
So what? Netanyahu came in power because Israelis elected him. So now Israeli civilians can be targeted?
 
Old 03-26-2024, 10:37 AM
 
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Yes, everyone Israel kills is radicalized Hamas. From the newly born, to the grandmothers and grandfathers.
That is not what I said, so why twist it?
Aside from causalities referred to as "collateral damage" (a term while descriptive, de-humanizes those killed accidentally), I was merely pointing out how not all women are automatically innocent when we use terms like women & children to describe the innocent.
We must presume the children under a certain age to be innocent, but as Vietnam taught American soldiers, even children can be radicalized to the point of killing if you, if let your guard down.

I have been critical of Israel to some extent, though they certainly have the high ground in this current conflict by the way Hamas attacked innocent people. Had they attacked military targets and/or the politicians who make the decisions that affect the Palestinians, that would be one thing.
I also am critical of American support for Israel to protect their borders, but the Jewish lobby in America such as the ADL, supports illegal aliens to pour into America.
We already give Israel tons of money per year, and shouldn't have to give billions more just for them to fight terrorists.
If they were under attack by other ME militaries, that would be a different story, as we would need to help them then.

So I am not some hardcore pro-Israel person under any and all circumstances, nor anti-Palestinian toward those who do not support Hamas.
Yet I wanted to make clear this notion that all women should be considered innocent, is inaccurate.

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