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Old 04-13-2024, 04:19 PM
 
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I watched the trial a little bit. I found it too triggering and I couldn't handle watching much of it. There was definitely reasonable doubt.
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Old 04-13-2024, 04:50 PM
 
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I'd take the sentence. It's justice served to those kids that at least one of them got taken out. Just my opinion. You are not going to get non biased results from human beings, no matter what their political affiliation, and from my experiences, they only mostly pick sheep to be jurors.
I agree I wish I could do something to free this man it's so infuriating.
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Old 04-13-2024, 04:53 PM
 
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I'd take the sentence. It's justice served to those kids that at least one of them got taken out. Just my opinion. You are not going to get non biased results from human beings, no matter what their political affiliation, and from my experiences, they only mostly pick sheep to be jurors.
well if he knew he was going to be found guilty he should not have held back and took out as many as he could! this is crazy there Is no self defense in blue states1
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Old 04-13-2024, 05:40 PM
 
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I haven't heard about this case until now but after reading up on it in various sources I feel that non of them, the man or the teens, are innocent. It would make me happy if all of them spent some time in jail. Just disappointing behavior all around.
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Old 04-13-2024, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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There's no amount of complaining about this case on here (or anywhere) that is going to change the outcome. The convicted defendant can appeal his case to the next level (appellate court), but only trial court errors and related will be considered. An appeal court can overturn the case. However, not agreeing with a jury verdict is outside the scope of an appeal.
And the fact that the witnesses lied? Would that fall under court errors? The jury would have convicted based on false testimony.
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Old 04-13-2024, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I haven't heard about this case until now but after reading up on it in various sources I feel that non of them, the man or the teens, are innocent. It would make me happy if all of them spent some time in jail. Just disappointing behavior all around.
Miu was convicted 1st degree reckless homicide. Do you find him guilty of that? Everyone lied, but miu is the only one who admitted that he lied to the investigators because he was scared. He spent 2 years in prison already,. What about others?
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Old 04-13-2024, 05:58 PM
 
Location: USA
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To answer your question, the jury/court system is absolutely the worst method imaginable to arrive at a decision this important.

Can you even IMAGINE using this method to make any other decision? No one would buy a car this way, with quietly listening to two opposing people spoon feed the information they want you to hear. You wouldn't buy a house, you wouldn't decide on a dog to adopt, a person to form a relationship, this way. No one would.

The jury should be given information created by an unbiased source (responsible media representatives can certainly manage that) and should be allowed to research and ask questions and seek counsel of people who know what they're talking about. And meanwhile, during this process, the jurors should be allowed to discuss the evidence presented with each other, real-time, when it's presented.


Is this post copied from The Onion?

Unbiased source? Like the New York Times or CNN? Please go find even one.

Responsible media representatives? Who decides "responsible"?

Jurors should research? Because the internet search engines are fair, responsible and unbiased (if you pay).

People who know what they're talking about? Again, who decides?

Jurors should discuss the case before all the evidence is presented? Yeah- let's decide before we know the whole story.
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Old 04-13-2024, 05:58 PM
 
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Miu was convicted 1st degree reckless homicide. Do you find him guilty of that?
Yes. Him and everyone else are guilty. As I said in my previous post. Absolutely terrible behavior from all persons involved.
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Old 04-13-2024, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Yes. Him and everyone else are guilty. As I said in my previous post. Absolutely terrible behavior from all persons involved.
Well, many lawyers are surprised that miu was convicted 1st degree reckless homicide, just saying.
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Old 04-13-2024, 06:07 PM
 
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Well, many lawyers are surprised that miu was convicted 1st degree reckless homicide, just saying.
Well I'm not a lawyer, I'm just a regular person who watched a video of a bunch of drunk teens and a drunk older man who escalated things for no reason.

Were the teens charged with anything? Because they should have been.
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