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Old Today, 07:34 AM
 
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Thank you for mentioning the cycle of American workers being less and less able to afford anything other than the cheaper items made abroad. Another thing to consider is that if you are willing to pay more for goods, often times you’ll find superior quality from other countries. Too many times the things that are still made in America are made with inferior materials to try and make the cost somewhat competitive, or the company will take advantage of having a recognizable name to try and justify a price.
"often times you’ll find superior quality from other countries. Too many times the things that are still made in America are made with inferior materials to try and make the cost somewhat competitive, or the company will take advantage of having a recognizable name to try and justify a price"

You make claims, you have to back them up.


And just the opposite.

Look at how the "pillow guy" has been trashed just becalms he is a Christian and a repub even though he has superior products.

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Old Today, 07:43 AM
 
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We don't agree on much, but this is 100% correct.

There's another factor amplifying what you describe here: The dwindling talent pool. If you put 100 young people in entry level positions, you'll find 40 underachievers, 40 pretty food ones, 15 very good ones, 4 masters and 1 rock star. (I made those numbers up, it's the idea.) If you send 90 of the entry level positions to Bangalore, your chances of finding those rare local talents drops accordingly.
"The dwindling talent pool."


Way too many push their kids to go to college where they do NOT belong.
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Old Today, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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EPA regulations had a hand in the outsourcing debacle. Why manufacture in a country with strict environmental laws when a company can set up in a country that doesn't have any? Heaven help us if America ever has to step up to a manufacturing level of even half of what it was during WW2.


https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-war/war-production
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Old Today, 09:00 AM
 
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Yesterday, I had an argument with a couple of co-workers on why companies like Motorola outsourced their manufacturing jobs from the US to abroad, as well as why companies also keep hiring foreigners over Americans.

My argument is because the companies want the cheaper labor and in this day and age, the American worker needs a good salary to make ends meet. Companies can either hire foreigners on an H1B1 work visa where they also get government assistance with housing and food so they don't have to work for as high a wage, and the companies who moved out of the country did it due to cheaper labor costs, cheaper taxes and regulations.

The 2 co-workers, one from Vietnam, the other from Guatemala, say that the companies are doing this because foreign workers work harder and more efficient than their American born counterparts, and that also the labor unions also hurt the American worker. The guy from Guatemala says that he was working for a machine shop in another company when it decided to close up shop and move it's plants to Spain, where the workers are more efficient. I looked into this and the reports I seen says it's because the cost of living, taxes and regulations are 200 percent less than the US, but the guy keeps saying it doesn't matter when the American worker is mostly lazy and doesn't care about what they do. He says it's why service jobs are taking a hit too since people don't care about the customer anymore and are more into socializing on their phones or office romance.

So, are companies choosing non-American workers due to the cheaper labor, or because the workmanship is far superior?
Cheaper labor
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Old Today, 09:01 AM
 
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EPA regulations had a hand in the outsourcing debacle. Why manufacture in a country with strict environmental laws when a company can set up in a country that doesn't have any? Heaven help us if America ever has to step up to a manufacturing level of even half of what it was during WW2.


https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-war/war-production
You're right, we really need more Superfund sites in the nation

I don't know about you, but I can actually drink and bathe in my tap water
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Old Today, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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You're right, we really need more Superfund sites in the nation

I don't know about you, but I can actually drink and bathe in my tap water

So it's all right for other countries to ruin their environment so we can get our cheap junk? Got it.
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Old Today, 09:42 AM
 
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The main reasons for jobs going overseas are labor costs and internet connectivity that is essentially free.

A new hire accounting graduate in the US is paid about $70k plus benefits in the oil industry. The same new hire in South America, Hungary, Asia, etc will make $12k per year and benefits are lower. Why would you hire many Americans given the cost differential?
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Old Today, 09:58 AM
 
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So it's all right for other countries to ruin their environment so we can get our cheap junk? Got it.
It's not ok, but those countries should be implementing the same standards that the US has when it comes to environmental protection.
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Old Today, 11:13 AM
 
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So it's all right for other countries to ruin their environment so we can get our cheap junk? Got it.
Its none of our business if they choose to do so, unless they border our land and pollute it also. Last I checked, only two nations share a border with ours.

If Asia wants to trade commerce for pollution, that is their decision.
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Old Today, 12:14 PM
 
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"The dwindling talent pool."


Way too many push their kids to go to college where they do NOT belong.
I'm afraid you may have misunderstood me. I'm not talking about college, but about entry-level jobs. They've mostly moved away, the idea being that simpler tasks can be done off-shore. Which is to a large extent true. But entry-level positions don't just benefit companies because of the work done, they allow companies to find and groom talent. Fewer entry level positions means a smaller pool to identify from.

There's a reason IT departments in the corporate world are loaded up with people from India now. They were given that first job, and they sank or swum. Right now, the prize is a Green Card. But eventually, they'll decide it's more fun to be a rich Indian in India than middle-class in the US, and the IT fortunes will be made over there.
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