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Yes, I do. I was in the boy scouts, briefly. It should be for boys only. That's why we have two organizations. One for girls and one for boys. To allow either in one or the other is not only ridiculous but being done so out of misogyny and misandry disguised as "inclusivity". It's a dog whistle for misandrists and misogynists. Leave the children alone! Let the boys be boys with other boys, and girls be girls with other girls!
so what you are saying is, at some point you were in Boy Scouts and it wasn't for you so you left....
but you think you should have a voice in the decisions others make to join or not join? Thats weird.
Also, the decision to allow girls was a decision to open 2 of the 5 existing BSA programs to girls.... as the other 3 programs had been co-ed since before 1970.
so......... not really sure you are making your case.
Also in 2018 when BSA opened to girls, the world wide affiliated Scout movement had 10 out of like 140 National programs that weren't co-ed. Those would be America and 9 Fundamentalist Islamic countries.
again, your argument isn't based on what you know. Its more about what you don't.
My brother, my son, my nephews, my grands. About 4 generations, were boy scouts, my brother was a scout leader for awhile when his sons were in the Scouts. In all that time, in my experience, women, aunts, mothers, grandmothers have been as much if not more involved at all levels than men.
My father was a scoutmaster back in the 40's-50's and things have changed quite a bit since then. I dont see any reason now why scouts need to be separated by gender.
well, I can tell you that there is plenty of data in the peer review that middle school aged kids need some single gender space. As an active leader in both a boy and a girl troop in BSA, I can tell you that kids act differently when just with their same gender peers and with co-ed peers.
They need space for both experiences for development. They have co-ed space in every aspect of thier lives. Scouts BSA program, being run as single gender troops provide a space that is very healthy for the boys and the girls.
I have given thousands of hours to this program and I have seen its transformative power. I was and remain very much in favor of allowing girls into the Scouts BSA program. In fact, this week I will spend time helping both young men and young women as they work on Scouts BSA materiel.
I also very much support the single gender troop model.
I think that the only people who say that this subject is much ado about nothing are those who did not grow up with Scouting, extreme liberals, and those who are pushing some kind of "agenda". The Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts had been part of the U.S. "culture" for over 100 years, and I think almost everyone who is now over the age of 50 was either a Scout (or a Campfire Girl) or wanted to be one. In my elementary school until about the sixth grade (when many kids decided it was not "cool" to be a Boy Scout or Girl Scout), at least 75% of my classmates would be in uniform on meeting days. I'm 70, but this is just one more way that the U.S. has changed so much in just 40 years (or so). And 40 years ago, it wasn't even suggested that boys might not really be boys or that girls might not really be girls. Although that might not have always been fair or right, boys and girls were often divided according to sex, whether in various kinds of boys against girls contests, or whether it was simply taken for granted that in eighth grade, girls took Home Ec and boys took Shop. (To emphasize, I am not saying that this was fair or right, but I am just explaining how things were and that virtually everyone accepted it.)
I think that anyone who does not recognize that there has been a fundamental change in the U.S. in many significant and major ways is either very young, very uneducated, or blind.
I think that the only people who say that this subject is much ado about nothing are those who did not grow up with Scouting, extreme liberals, and those who are pushing some kind of "agenda". The Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts have been part of the U.S. "culture" for over 100 years, and I don't think anyone over the age of 50 were not either a Scout (or Girl Guide) or didn't want to be one. In my elementary school until about the sixth grade when many kids decided it was not "cool", on Scout Days, at least 75% of my classmates would be in uniform. I'm 70, but it just is one more way that the U.S. has changed so much in just 40 years (or so). And 40 years ago, it wasn't even suggested that boys might not really be boys or that girls might not really be girls. All though that might not have always been fair or right, boys and girls were often divided according to sex, whether in various kinds of boys against girls contests, and it was just taken for granted that in eighth grade, girls took Home Ec and boys took Shop. (Note that I am not saying that this was fair or right, but I am just explaining how things were and that virtually everyone just accepted it.)
I think that anyone who does not recognize that there has been a fundamental change in the U.S. in many significant and major ways is either very young, very uneducated, or just blind.
from my experience here, the people who are the loudest voices against this have zero clue about Scouting.
Much ado about nothing. So camping, hiking and other outdoor activities are the exclusive domain of boys?
Apparently so, according to some. I don't see why this is a big deal, or even a deal at all.
If someone has time and energy to get triggered over something like the Boy Scouts changing part of their name, I'd say their life is pretty darn good, and they're just looking for something to be offended over.
Right... which is why they decided to remove "Boy".
I don't understand what the group formerly known as the Boy Scouts have that the Girl Scouts don't have - that girls are making this choice...
Does anyone have an idea? Why have 176,000 girls not chosen to do Girl Scouts?
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yea. I can answer that with a LOT of confidence.
I am a guy. I am an active leader his a troop of boys. I also help found a troop for girls. I am active in both.
during the fallout from the sex abuse scandal, going back to like 2016/2017, BSA was hemorrhaging membership. Then the Morman church announced it was separating from BSA. What you may not know is that for decades (I dont know how long) part of the Mormon process for their boys was going through the Scouting program. That separation dropped hundreds of thousands off the membership roles, as membership was falling, headed into a lawsuit/bankruptcy process that everyone knew was going to be very expensive.
At the same time, families with boys in the program who had daughters had been calling for accepting girls for 20 years. MANY of these families had girls that looked at the GSUSA program and did not like what it was at all. YES it is very different.
So BSA made a decision to accept girls into Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts (renamed Scouts BSA).
What you also may not know, is that BSA runs 5 total programs. 3 of those programs, have been co-ed since they were created in the late 60's/early 70's
Explorers
Sea Scouts
Venturing
As for what BSA has that GSUSA doesn't I can't speak authoritatively about what GSUSA has. I can tell you that the people I know who have daughters in the BSA program, all have said they tried GSUSA and didn't like it. some said they didn't like the culture around selling GS Cookies.... some said it was an act of congress to go camping. Others said they preferred the BSA Scout Oath and Law as the prime driver.
I can tell you that Scouts BSA is very clear about its Aims and Methods and very forward about things like Duty to God and Living out the Scout Oath and Law.
to be fair, I have good friends who LOVE GSUSA. But these organizations are very very different and if you have people you will have people with different preferences and agends.
Hope that helps
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Much appreciate the answer.
So in your "expert" opinion, there's no woke in this at all. It's merely a better run program than the GSA (other than the 80,000 accusations of sexual assault ).
All part of the Left strategy to destroy America's cherished institutions that used to produce good citizens. Every institution that produced good, honest, loyal, patriotic, honorable, hard-working citizens is being systematically dismantled by the Left. Everything from marriage to college. The end game is totalitarian socialist oppression. You can't get there with a populace that loves freedom and fairness, independence and self-sufficiency, or a love of God and Country.
As the 1960s hippies used to say, "Down with the establishment! Burn it all down, man!"
The destruction of the Boy Scouts began long ago when they began to get woke, even before woke was a word. Many principled people don't stick around when that happens, so the numbers went way down. Look at Salvation Army after that DEI memo was found. Regular people quit contributing to Salvation Army as a result.
They are just destroying every old, respected institution.
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